November 6, 1999 Palace Security Class held by Ph of Communities.com
Opening Log
Gyrithe©: hello cherri
Cherri OTP: hello everyone
Cherri OTP: how's it going
~Pammie~: Hi there
Hank: hiya Cherri
~Pammie~: good here thanks
~Pammie~: you?
Cherri OTP: I'm great
Cherri OTP: ty
Hank: PH is finishin dinner and will be here shortly
Cherri OTP: ok np
Hank: sure Nick - np
Nick©: :okies
~Pammie~: Hi Chelsea
Alan: Hi Chelsea
Hank: hiya Chelsea
Alan: How are you feeling today?
Cherri OTP: hi Chelsea
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: roomhi
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: hi all
Nick©: :Is everone here a god(dess) at a palace(s)
Alan: No
~Pammie~: nope
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: i am
Nick©: :oh
Cherri OTP: yes
Alan: :Except Hanks
Nick©: Hank is =D
Nick©: :a few
Nick©: :He is my boss
Hank: :ya right :-)
~Pammie~: he be the bossman;-)
Nick©: :What ya mean...
Nick©: :I have a few
Nick©: =D
Nick©: :I feel out of place
~Pammie~: awwwwwhy so?
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: yes u a little nakeed pea
Hank: :why?
Nick©: I dont know
~Pammie~: lol
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: want an av
Alan: Hi Danielle
Nick©: maybe if I...
~Pammie~: Hi DG
DevilGrrl (CK's): hi Pammie
Nick©: :feel much better
DevilGrrl (CK's): roomhi
Hank: :I put him in charge of pig props :-)
DevilGrrl (CK's): hi everyone
Danielle: ty Alan
Alan: :Good thing PH is late. So is everybody else.
Danielle: hi all
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: i just got told about it
Nick©: *ahem* And people whos names end with K =D
Gyrithe©: :do he eat slow or fast?
Nick©: :HanKKKK
Hank: :it was in the newsletter :-)
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: so i almost got a speeding ticket
Cherri OTP: hiya Danielle
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: havent checked email
Cherri OTP: on phone
Danielle: hey Cherri
Hank: !HIYA MS!!
Cherri OTP: lol
Gyrithe©: Hello Ms
MSlady: :hi wabbit
Cherri OTP: hello MS Lady
Nick©: Cyote
DevilGrrl (CK's): hi MSlady
MSlady: hi guys!!
Alan: Hi MS
Danielle: hi MS
~Pammie~: Hi MSladyyy
Nick©: HI MS
MSlady: hi :)
Nick©: *oink*
MSlady: hehe
Alan: *meow*
Nick©: :I look evil
MSlady: :buncha animals
Danielle: lol
~Pammie~: Gyrithe yur right mid section is non existant
Nick©: :Zoo in here
Nick©: :I thought so
Alan: From neck over
~Pammie~: *S*
Gyrithe©: I see myself fine?
~Pammie~: hmmm
Danielle: scan
MSlady: lol Nick
Hank: you have a pice missin
~Pammie~: lol
MSlady: who does me?
Hank: Gyr does
~Pammie~: got biscuits cherri
Danielle: there is a piece missing Gyr
MSlady: yah
Nick©: *arf*
~Pammie~: there it is;-)
Danielle: there
Gyrithe©: am I ok now?
MSlady: yup
Nick©: :yep
~Pammie~: Yep;-)
Gyrithe©: good :)
Nick©: Wanna see my tongue touch my nose??
Gyrithe©: :edited a pixel
Nick©: =od
Nick©: *gigglz*
~Pammie~: lol
MSlady: :nice room
Nick©: :I have a gobble gobble
Hank: :Ken shud be here any second
Nick©: Wanna see??
Cherri OTP: MS Lady I'm on phone with Kipper, he says to tell you hi
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: k
MSlady: oh tell him hiya
MSlady: :)
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: ^brb pottie
Nick©: Wanna see my gobble gobble
~Pammie~: what is it?
Hank: :Nick behave
MSlady: :he really wants to show his gobble gobble
Nick©: :what
~Pammie~: laughinn
~Pammie~: yep guess so
DevilGrrl (CK's): hahaha
MSlady: :whew
~Pammie~: lol
MSlady: :I never ask about these things
Nick©: :remember, I am in charge of people with a K at the end of their name =D
~Pammie~: i should know better
Hank: :getin little
Nick©: :HanK
MSlady: is cute Hank :)
Nick©: hanK
Nick©: :heh
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: back
Nick©: wb
~Pammie~: wb
DevilGrrl (CK's): wb chelsea
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: ty
~Pammie~: Hi Shaia
Hank: hiya Shaia
Nick©: :we have 2 people at Pretend
Hank: :we need 1 person here
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: for
Nick©: :PH
Gyrithe©: :I hope he will pay my phonebill
~Pammie~: lol
Nick©: how many people does this room hold??
Hank: as many as I say :-)
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: waving....hello everyone
~Pammie~: *S*
Gyrithe©: :eleven people and a cat
~Pammie~: wavin back
Nick©: *waves* Hi, I dont know ya, but I will wave
Alan: :And a 'yote
Danielle: hi Shaia
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: Hi Danielle
Nick©: :can you tell I am bored
Cherri OTP: hello Shaia
Hank: :he sure eats slow
Cherri OTP: sorry was on phone
Nick©: I keep changin my AV's
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: Hello Cherri ~smile~
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: ani aavs cause lag
Nick©: :oops
Gyrithe©: :is rude to let us wait
Cherri OTP: Kipper mess up his back really bad
~Pammie~: oh no
~Pammie~: how so?
Cherri OTP: cant move
~Pammie~: omg
Cherri OTP: said pickin up something wrong
~Pammie~: that's serious
Nick©: :yikes
~Pammie~: that's all it takes
~Pammie~: geee
Cherri OTP: sounds really bad
~Pammie~: did he call a dr?
~Pammie~: noooooo
Cherri OTP: said he just did it
~Pammie~: ah then it must be bad...
~Pammie~: poor guy
Hank: !EL!!
Alan: El
Danielle: hi El
~Pammie~: hi Elusive
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: hello El
Gyrithe©: hi elusive
Nick©: :Hi Elusive
DevilGrrl (CK's): hi El
Alan: :Is she elusive because she's transparent?
Elusive: hi guys...sorry to interrupt
~Pammie~: yur not
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: nothing started yet
Hank: yur not interrupting - the guest speaker has not arrived
Alan: :Interrupting my nap.
Elusive: ohhhh...so Hank is singin and doin a dance to entertain us?
~Pammie~: any second now ;-)
Hank: :ya sure :-)
DevilGrrl (CK's): uh huh
Gyrithe©: I could play the piano Hank
Hank: go for it Gyr :-)
Elusive: HankerChief iz fast on his feet...1 2 3 kick...1 2 3 kick...
Gyrithe©: LOL
~Pammie~: lol
Hank: :Hank don dance
~Pammie~: not even on a good day Hank?
Gyrithe©: :singing is ok
Elusive: *peerin..lookin closely at the screen*
Nick©: :or date??
Hank: :cept slow dance
Nick©: ahhh
MSlady: ^brb
Elusive: ohhh..the geriatric shuffle?
Elusive: oops
~Pammie~: *S*
Elusive: *duckin*
Nick©: *covers eyes*
Elusive: I can't see whenu do that Nick
Nick©: :huh
Nick©: :Nick is lost
Elusive: *droppin breadcrumbs fer Nick*
Nick©: :heh
~Pammie~: they stick to his nose
Elusive: viso
~Pammie~: they will even
Nick©: :wet dog nose
~Pammie~: health then ugh
~Pammie~: healthy can't type
Nick©: :la la la
Nick©: noone talks
Nick©: :I feel alone
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: sleeping
Nick©: hah
Hank: :Hi Nick
Elusive: I thought the Mime Contest Started
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: :making refreshments
Nick©: :ugh...Nick wouldnt be a very good mime
Alan: :A mime is a terrible thing to waste.
~Pammie~: E are you a air vent ?
Danielle: lol
MSlady: hehe Alan
~Pammie~: lol
Elusive: thank U Hank...I wuz feelin a leeel liteheaded
Cherri OTP: hiya Elusive
Elusive: Hi Cherri *wavin*
Alan: :Although have wanted to waste a couple of them, myself.
Hank: he's here
~Pammie~: laughin at Hank's cheeks
Cherri OTP: i'm slow tonight
Nick©: If you dont mind, what does OTP stand for??
Cherri OTP: doing too many things at once
Elusive: :which ones
Cherri OTP: On Turtle Pond where I live
~Pammie~: z ones on his face
Nick©: cool
Cherri OTP: Cherri On Top Please
Hank: !PH!!
~Pammie~: evening Ph's
Danielle: hi PH
Cherri OTP: evening Ph
Gyrithe©: Hi PH
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: hi ph
Elusive: Welcome PH :-)
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: hello PH
Nick©: :Hi Ph
Nick©: :I am slow
Nick©: =x
Hank: ok folks without further ado allow me to introduce Ken Arck of Communities.com - here to answer your questions about security and the hacked client
Ph's horse: !evening everyone!
Ph's horse: :downloading.. oy the lag
Cherri OTP: welcome PH
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: evening
Steed~m~ô: evening PH
Nick©: evenin
Hank: ya with s Ken?
Alan: Hi Ken. This is Alan from dinner at the Wharf.
Ph's horse: test
DevilGrrl (CK's): hi ken
Ph's horse: ok, i think i'm alive!
Ph's horse: sorry for being late - daylight savings jet lag :)
~Pammie~: *S*
Cherri OTP: lol
Nick©: :he flies
Ph's horse: ok first of all.. what about that 10 grand you promised, hank?
Hank: :later Ken
Ph's horse: :oooops, sorry
Cherri OTP: hahaha
Hank: :and it was 5
Ph's horse: well, i'm here to answer any questions you might have.. i just ask not all at once (unless you wish to offer a cash bribe)
Ph's horse: no questions? cool! man, you guys are easy!
Gyrithe©: :any question?
Elusive: :wonder if horses take plastic
Hank: everyone has heard the rumors of the hacked client
Ph's horse: well, i'm horrible in geography
Gyrithe©: :)
~Pammie~: what is it?
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: back sorry
MSlady: wb
DevilGrrl (CK's): wb chelsea
Cherri OTP: tell us about it please and just what it does
Cherri OTP: and does not do
Hank: Ken?
Ph's horse: ahhhh. the hacked client.. well, contrary to rumors,, it is NOT really hacked...
Ph's horse: hank?
Ph's horse: :my cat hacks up hairballs better than these so-called self-proclaimed hackers
~Pammie~: ah
Nick©: :hmm
MSlady: :nice visual
~Pammie~: *S*
Cherri OTP: so what exactly can they do with it
DevilGrrl (CK's): so your saying that it is not possible?
Ph's horse: there are really only two things this version allows for...
Nick©: :I see it now
Ph's horse: cloning without permission and....
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: im more worried about my puter being hacked then my palace
Ph's horse: if you have authoring turned on, they can read your spots and TEMPORARILY enable scripts and paint, if you have them turned off
Ph's horse: it's important to remember a couple of things...
Ph's horse: #1 - any change they make will NOT be saved by the server, because the server knows they're "not a wizard"
Ph's horse: and more importantly.....
Ph's horse: they can NOT delete rooms, kill, pin, or any of the other fun things a legitimate wizard or god can do
Ph's horse: now, i know some of these malcontents have claimed they can, but
Ph's horse: they can't.. that's all there is to it.. and let me tell you why
Ph's horse: first of all, they're not a horse... now a horse can do anyhting
Hank: :I knew that
Cherri OTP: lol
~Pammie~: *S*
DevilGrrl (CK's): lol
Danielle: lol
Nick©: :wishes I had a horse AV
~Pammie~: evening wild
Cherri OTP: evening wild
Danielle: hi wild
MSlady: Wild!!
MSlady: :ltns
Nick©: :hah
Hank: :the prop shuffle
Nick©: everyone moved
wildcheree: hello everyone...;-)
Danielle: lol
MSlady: ZM :)
Nick©: :Hi
~Pammie~: Hi Zero
Elusive: My I ask a question...concerning the Gatekeeper Plug In
Danielle: hi ZM
ZeroMage*: Hey Ph.
Hank: still here Ken?
ZeroMage*: hey guys
Gyrithe©:
Hank: Ken just dropped oFF ICQ - must have crashed
Alan: :Shudda cliped his wings
Nick©: :lol
ZeroMage*: :use ao to see if he's still here?
Hank: ok so what Ken was saying is
Hank: the hacked client allows 2 things
Hank: 1 - cloning
ZeroMage*: :cloning and authoring :P
Hank: 2 - TEMPORARY changes to room properties
Hank: number 2 ONLY if you have authoring turned on
MSlady: room state only correct...not room scripts
Hank: room states only yes
Nick©: :temporary room changes (scripts and painting)
MSlady: k
MSlady: not scripts
ZeroMage*: nope hank
MSlady: oh you mean scripts on
MSlady: yah
ZeroMage*: You can get around the non author
Hank: they cannot change scripts - just look at them
ZeroMage*: there is a way to author with out it on
~Pammie~: wb
MSlady: right
Hank: wb Ken
Ph's horse: :well, that sucked
Cherri OTP: wb Ph
ZeroMage*: Wb Ph
Steed~m~ô: wb
Nick©: :wb
wildcheree: wb
ZeroMage*: There is a way for them to author if authoring is off
Ph's horse: thanks!
Cherri OTP: horses can do anything
MSlady: ?? ZM
DevilGrrl (CK's): :need horse av
Ph's horse: see what i get for not using a class ISP like accesscom?
MSlady: :true
Hank: : :-)
ZeroMage*: You log into a palace with out authoring off
ZeroMage*: and then just have controll A still on while you connect to the palace with it off
MSlady: yah but they can only look cant change scripts
ZeroMage*: :yea but we don't want scripts stolen :P
MSlady: yes
Hank: you get that Ken?
MSlady: I agree
Ph's horse: :then password lock each room
Ph's horse: where did i lose it?
DevilGrrl (CK's): so if it is pwded you can't get in it?
Hank: you werre sayin why changes were temporary
Ph's horse: oh yea.. i was about to point out why someone can't wiz up
DevilGrrl (CK's): hey odin
~Pammie~: hi odin
Ph's horse: :it bears repeating
Ph's horse: now, i know some of these malcontents have claimed
they can, but
Gyrithe©: :wants to borrow a bra Odin?
Ph's horse: they can't.. that's all there is to it.. and let me tell you why
Ph's horse: first of all, they're not a horse... now a horse can do anything
DevilGrrl (CK's): lol
Nick©: :well
Alan: :This is where he crashes
Nick©: hah
wildcheree: lol
Elusive: :strange feeling of Deja Vu
Nick©: :yep
DevilGrrl (CK's): uh huh
MSlady: :thinking he shouldnt say that again
Ph's horse: but more importantly... the only way to get a server to recognize that you're a wizard is for you to send the password to the server
MSlady: Oops
Ph's horse: in other words, if they don't have the password.. they can't do squat
Nick©: :interesting lingo
Gyrithe©: explain squat please
Elusive: The Gatekeeper Plug In is an additional security concerning that..I assume?
Ph's horse: and, i've noticed something interesting about those who claim they can...
MSlady: squat = nuttin
Ph's horse: :i'll get to gatekeeper in a sec
Elusive: :zzzzzzip
Ph's horse: you ever notice they always claim "i can wiz up anytime i want!"
Hank: :I just don't want to right now :-)
Ph's horse: seems to me, if they could actually crack anything, they'd go for the god password, so phphptttt to them
MSlady: hehe hank
Ph's horse: but...
~Pammie~: ;-)
Ph's horse: you need to be aware of some things, especially if
you use a PC
Nick©: :ut oh
Ph's horse: everyone here know about backorifice and other trojan horses?
ZeroMage*: yea.
Hank: :get a Mac :-)
MSlady: yup
Steed~m~ô: yep
DevilGrrl (CK's): yeah
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: i had someone come to my palace and tell me they knew my ftp pw and at the time i was the only one who knew it
ZeroMage*: Can't a program Jammer block those?
Nick©: *ahem* no
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: yeah i got one
MSlady: yes but did they DO anything
Hank: did they prove it?
ZeroMage*: I got one last year..
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: yes
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: they told me what my pw was
MSlady: ahh
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: and they were right
Ph's horse: ok , if you know about them, then you all have a virus scanner installed and use it regularly, right?
Nick©: :yikes
MSlady: yups
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: i have norton
DevilGrrl (CK's): yep
Nick©: :i do
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: and acaffee
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: mcaffee
Ph's horse: perfect!
Hank: the better virus scanners can detect BO?
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: neither found it
Ph's horse: yep hank...
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: i got bo detect and bo clean
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: and antigen
Ph's horse: i use data fellows.... it catches BO and others
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: and cleaner
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: and i still got a subseven apocolypse trojan
Ph's horse: :of course, i take showers all the time, so BO isn't a problem for me
Hank: :nice withers Cherri
MSlady: yikes
Ph's horse: anyway...
Nick©: :you are sooo funny
Nick©: :I want to be like you when I grow up
Ph's horse: that's a favorite ploy of palace creeps.. to use a trojan horse in order to get passwords
Elusive: in order to get BO or NetBus or any of the others, do u not have to accept a file and/or attachment?
Ph's horse: now, it IS possible to do some packet sniffing and intercept things, but... that would be very rare.. it's not all that easy
MSlady: what does that mean
Hank: they are not going to do any packet capture here
Ph's horse: but i'd say that if someone got ahold of your passwords, either they overheard it or one of your wizards (or gods?) gave it out...
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: im talking ftp
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: and no one had but me
~Pammie~: hi EB
Hank: we have 166 palaces running for around a year now and we have had three valid instances where someone got a password
Ph's horse: every case of someone trashing someone's palace, that i've seen, has been because someone told them the passwords
MSlady: did you have a trojan?
Hank: in all those instances - someone gave it to them
MSlady: ahh
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: not at the time
Nick©:
Ph's horse: i'll have to let hank address shell account security on his stuff :)
Hank: :I have 2 professional hackers on the staff :-)
ZeroMage*: :yea lots of little kids use hex at my palace...
Ph's horse: hexedit?
ZeroMage*: No hex palace
Ph's horse: ahhh, hexpalace.. nevermind
ZeroMage*: they go around cloning.
Ph's horse: right
ZeroMage*: saying their wizards..
ZeroMage*: :so it's quite annoying..
Odin ô: i have a copy of that
Ph's horse: unfortunately, there is no way to stop them (for now) however...
Cherri OTP: how do you know if someone is using a hacked client
Cherri OTP: is there a way to tell
Hank: nope
Hank: unless they clone
ZeroMage*: Why don't you guys design some new sort of PUID system...and the new server client that reads the new puid and if your puid is part of a older client it don't work
Ph's horse: we know who created it, and started distributing it.. they are currently talking to our laywers.. if you know who they are, you'll notice they haven't been around lately :)
ZeroMage*: :I still see them on.
ZeroMage*: :alot...
Ph's horse: ok zero
Hank: :and if you have a copy - delete it
Cherri OTP: what is an unauthorized client
Ph's horse: well zero... we are...
Nick©: Ken, I have heard rumors that someone is creating a cloner that you cannot tell they are cloning, I havent heard any cases of someone having it, but, who knows
Ph's horse: pretty soon, the only way you will be able to change puids, is to change hardware
Nick©: :oops
Ph's horse: the only way i could see that would work, is if they're propgagged first. nick..
Nick©: :ok
Ph's horse: :an old wizard trick :)
Hank: :yup :-)
Hank: so what about Gatekeeper?
Nick©: :I have never done that =x
Ph's horse: you have it installed on all of these, hank?
Hank: yes
Hank: it's an option
Ph's horse: a quick explaination of gatekeeper
ZeroMage*: :gate keeper kept crashing me.
Ph's horse: with gatekeeper, your regkey has to be on a list, or there's no way to "wiz" up
Ph's horse: if it's not, you can enter the correct password until the 2000 elections, and it would never work
Hank: :it's fixed Zero
Ph's horse: it's a great security goodie :)
ZeroMage*: :no one would guess my pass anyways lol..
Steed~m~ô: yep
Nick©: :Tries to guess pass...
Nick©: DOGPOOP
Nick©: :no thats a friends
Ph's horse: :if you're really mean,, give everyone the correct password and watch them drop like flies
Steed~m~ô: lol
ZeroMage*: LOL
Mrs Chelse@Jeremia: lmao
Nick©: :heh
ZeroMage*: :*thinks of doing that*
Ph's horse: ok, back to the "hack" for a minute
Hank: if youn want to try gatekeeper - go to the user uitilites page and click plugins
Nick©: :oh great more horses
Ph's horse: any questions about what can be done with it and what CANT be done with it?
Ph's horse: :easy crowd
MSlady: :something wrong there alan
Cherri OTP: lol
Ph's horse: ok,, how about any other security question?
Nick©: :His wings dont fit
~Pammie~: *S*
Alan: :As close as I can get right now.
MSlady: :hehe
Cherri OTP: ok I've got one
Ph's horse: :ph, how can i keep burglers out of my home?
~Pammie~: wb E
Hank: rumors today of a script that boots all wizzes and gods Ken
Cherri OTP: ready for this Ph
Elusive: thank u..unconscious fera sec.sorry :-(
Ph's horse: haven't heard that one yet.... anyone seen it in action?
Hank: !WB EL!!
DevilGrrl (CK's): have not seen but heard
Steed~m~ô: only thing ive seen is the alscray trick to do it
Hank: Some people have been subjected to the cyberg hack and thot they were being killed
~Pammie~: wb DG
DevilGrrl (CK's): thanx
ZeroMage*: yea when are you gonna fix that Cyberg%400 trick
Nick©: :i hate that
Ph's horse: i've heard for years that anyone can wiz up, yet i've still not seen it proven :) rumors on palace are like interns at the whitehouse... always have their mouth open, but nothing comes out
DevilGrrl (CK's): omg
~Pammie~: laughin
Nick©: HA HA HA
Cherri OTP: hahaha
Nick©: *covers eyes*
Nick©: :teen here
ZeroMage*: lol
Ph's horse: oh yea.. the cyberg thingie
Nick©: :now to the cyberg thing
Nick©: well
Nick©: He reads minds too
Danielle: lol
Ph's horse: the new windows client is currently in beta, and guess what?
Nick©: :What cant you do??
DevilGrrl (CK's): :what is the cyberg thingy?
Nick©: What, Ken??
Ph's horse: its completely impervious to the % cyberg thing
Alan: :It doesn't work? ;-)
Hank: in the meantime - do a 'list and cut and paste their name to kill
Ph's horse: its a way that punks can crash the current windows clients, devilgrrl
Hank: :or get a mac :-)
DevilGrrl (CK's): ty
Ph's horse: or click on them on the userlist,, and not directly
Nick©: :Hank...you cant becuase you are currently being lagged
Elusive: *puttin duct tape on the MacMouf*
Hank: basically - they put a % in their name and if you click on them it boots you
~Pammie~: ah
Ph's horse: :very nasty
Elusive: u can kill them remotely
DevilGrrl (CK's): ph when u are done i have a ? please
Ph's horse: or a prop name too... that's the latest craze
DevilGrrl (CK's): ok i c
Ph's horse: ok devilgrrl
Cherri OTP: Ph I have something I'd like to tell you regarding
private rooms and privacy
DevilGrrl (CK's): ok i have been told that some of my rooms can be erased
DevilGrrl (CK's): :if i did not get rid of them
Ph's horse: they name a prop with the proper cmbination of % and cyberg.. ask you to help edit it and POOF!
DevilGrrl (CK's): that is not true correct?
ZeroMage*: lol
Nick©: :I had someone the other day signed on as cyberg%4000 and were changing there expression REALLY fast, like a script, almost...it was horrible
ZeroMage*: :yea someone did that to me.... and I lost alot of new props.
Ph's horse: just ban 'em on sight
Nick©: :I couldnt do nothing but watch em
Ph's horse: one thing i want to say.. officially for communities.com
ZeroMage*: I had like 60 users on the other day and then had only 2 wizrads me and someone else...it was hell.
Hank: your rooms cannot be earased DG
Nick©: :anyway i could get that beta =D
DevilGrrl (CK's): ty hank
Ph's horse: :i'll wait, of course
wildcheree:
Hank: :all yurs Ken
Ph's horse: CC is very serious about putting a stop to the malcontents that are out there... as i said, we've already taken legal action against two well known ones.. and there are more to come
Ph's horse: however, we need very good "evidence" in order to pursue these...
Ph's horse: and that takes time and tons of info :)
Ph's horse: thank you zero
Ph's horse: but we're quite serious about trying to stop this stuff.. just wanted to let you know that :)
Elusive: I have to leave..thank u for taking your time to explain this PH..bye everyone :-)
Hank: :several young men have already received a knock oin the door :-)
Nick©: :May I ask a question *raises hand*
Ph's horse: sure nick
ZeroMage*: Ok
Ph's horse: yep hank.. wish we had pictures of their faces
Nick©: :Will there be any way anyone could get a hold of that beta??
Hank: he means the PC client
Nick©: :thank you
Ph's horse: well,, as soon as it's out of beta, it will be released, nick.. we usually average about 3 weeks on that.. so, hopefully by the end of the month, it will be available
Nick©: good
Ph's horse: unless something "unexpected" comes up
Nick©: :thanks
Ph's horse: :so far, it's got no serious bugs
Ph's horse: anyone else?
Cherri OTP: yes
Steed~m~ô: yeah
Ph's horse: cherri?
Cherri OTP: on another subject
Ph's horse: then steed
Steed~m~ô: i have a user that keeps changing his reg codes and ip then harrasingone of the other wizards. is there a way i can track him without having to list everyone that comes in
Cherri OTP: private rooms
Nick©: :ban jumping
Ph's horse: :with you in a sec, steed
Cherri OTP: someone entered a private room I was in
Steed~m~ô: looking for his software version
Steed~m~ô: k
Cherri OTP: I asked how
Cherri OTP: they told me
Cherri OTP: that they leave the user list open when changing palaces
Ph's horse: if the room is locked cherri.. unless someone is a god, they cant get in.. you sure the room locks properly?
Cherri OTP: a hidden room
Cherri OTP: was a hidden room
Ph's horse: oooh,, ok
Cherri OTP: so I tred it
Ph's horse: how unique is the room ID?
Cherri OTP: and it worked
Cherri OTP: if you leave the user list open
Ph's horse: sure it will, as long as the know the room ID,, they can get there
Cherri OTP: and change palaces
Ph's horse: if the ID is common,, sure.. i'm not surprised at all
Cherri OTP: the name appears on list when you get there
Cherri OTP: showing another room
Ph's horse: cherri? a suggestion
Cherri OTP: and you can click on the persons name
Cherri OTP: and get to them
Cherri OTP: yes
Ph's horse: change the ID to something really bizzare,, like 23434 or something.. then the chances of that happening are pretty remote
Cherri OTP: oh ok
DevilGrrl (CK's): ^question
Cherri OTP: ty
Ph's horse: steed next, then devil
Ph's horse: banjumping...
Nick©: :yep
Steed~m~ô: yep
Ph's horse: right now, there's only way to keep one out, and it won't do it for long,, but at least it will make it more work for them
Ph's horse: due to a bug (yea yea, more bugs)... if you can the SPECIFIC IP, you can keep a registered client out
Ph's horse: umm, if you ban a specific IP, that is
ZeroMage*: :it says if you use ban jump though in the help/about if you can't get back in try disconnecting and reconnecting to the net.
Ph's horse: no wildcards though, that doesn't work
Steed~m~ô: he changes ip's too..
Steed~m~ô: ony way to get him right now is his software version
Ph's horse: yes zero, but that's more work.. but you're right.. unless they have a fixed IP, that's all they have to do
Nick©: :One of the
DevilGrrl (CK's): so if you ban on reg codes tht is not a secure way to keep them out?
Nick©: :Ph...we have a smart wiz, and he was talking about contacting this persons ISp...
Ph's horse: :what i usually do is just set a track for 20 or 30 minutes.. and just kill 'em when they come back.. it comes down to who gets tired of it first
Hank: the main thing for the guys that really know ban jumping is make it as hard as you can for them and hope they get bored and leave
Ph's horse: exactly hank
Hank: if that dosen't work - talk to me and I'll go the official route
Nick©: What about comtacting ISPs??
Hank: if you need to contact an ISP - see me
Steed~m~ô: i just may need to talk to you hank
Ph's horse: well nick.. i'm all for contacting their ISP's.. but unless they've done something that violates that ISP's terms of service, its a tough case to make
Hank: I have the channels for that
Nick©: :What is the official measures, Hank
Ph's horse: but it never hurts to try
Nick©: :Ok Ph
DevilGrrl (CK's): ^?
Hank: and if we go the official route - I need facts
Nick©: Thanks
Steed~m~ô: this guy have made pleanty of threats against this wizard
Ph's horse: :threats are good
Hank: Steed - get me what info you can and we will talk to the guy's ISP
ZeroMage*: :I was told " if you don't make me a wiz I'm gonna fry the server " I'm like yea go ahead and try.
DevilGrrl (CK's): i have had threats on my family
Steed~m~ô: will send the info to you a lil latter
DevilGrrl (CK's): the person does have my rl stuff
Hank: the thing to remember about threats is they are usually bogus
~Pammie~: oh geesh
Ph's horse: that is definately contact ISP time, devil
DevilGrrl (CK's): we have
~Pammie~: reallly
DevilGrrl (CK's): yes Pammie
Hank: in the case of threats - we will get the guy dealt with
Nick©: :What is rl??
Hank: count on it
~Pammie~: real life
DevilGrrl (CK's): real life
Ph's horse: :rl = real life
Danielle: real life
Nick©: oh, ok
Nick©: :I feel dumb
Nick©: =P
Ph's horse: or richard the lionhearted
~Pammie~: na
Alan: :He probably still doesn't know what that means
DevilGrrl (CK's): we saved all the icq's that he sent to me
~Pammie~: lol
Hank: real life is that stuff that happens when you log
ogg Nicjk :-)
~Pammie~: sigh
Steed~m~ô: so far the only way to tell this is the guy is his software code SI301 PPC Mac..the only one i know that has it
Cherri OTP: one thing hank, I wanted my real name taken off my web page please... do you do that or do I need to
Nick©: :i never log off, heh
Hank: I can or you can
Hank: want me to do it now?
ZeroMage*: yea just change that index thing in your ftp
Alan: :Would never be a Mac user. Must be a lie.
Cherri OTP: whenever you get time no hurry
Ph's horse: client version is a bad way to ID someone.. it's too easy to change
Ph's horse: hank? you're using mansionbuilds, yes?
DevilGrrl (CK's): ?
ZeroMage*: is that the thing you change in your ini file?
Hank: nope - but we have the require PUID plugin
Ph's horse: yep zero
DevilGrrl (CK's): Hank what is that?
Ph's horse: :i'll send you the binaries... it would stop alot of the ban jumpers i bet
ZeroMage*: so guests can't log in?
DevilGrrl (CK's): ok
Hank: ok
Ph's horse: :thinking.. do we have a mansionbuild for linux...
DevilGrrl (CK's): ph
Ph's horse: yes devil?
Hank: :version 4.4? :-)
DevilGrrl (CK's): on the room ids
ZeroMage*: :I have winlinux ...it's a piece of junk... :P
Ph's horse: :i'll get one if we don't
DevilGrrl (CK's): can they have letters also?
Hank: mansion build requires valid reg codes
Ph's horse: no devil.. they have to be numeric only
DevilGrrl (CK's): ok ty
Hank: done Cherri
Ph's horse: but you can have an ID of up to 32 characters :)
Cherri OTP: ty
DevilGrrl (CK's): hahaha ok
Ph's horse: :that must be it?
Hank: ok - we drug Ken away from dinner so I don't want to keep him here all night - anyone got anything they want to clear up about anything we covered?
DevilGrrl (CK's): one more ?
Ph's horse: :its amazing that after 4 years of palacing, how good i've gotten at one handed typing.. makes it much easier to eat dinner and be here
DevilGrrl (CK's): pwding the rooms will just add the extra security from closing the server correct?
Ph's horse: :j/k
ZeroMage*: LoL
~Pammie~: lol
DevilGrrl (CK's): lol
Cherri OTP: lol
Steed~m~ô: hehe
ZeroMage*: man can't they just have a utility on the page that you type 1 pass and it locks all the rooms?
ZeroMage*: :that'd help alot..
Cherri OTP: :cant do that yet... practicing
Ph's horse: right devil.. you can password 'em if you want,but if all you're looking for is privacy.. just hide 'em, give a long room ID and make them private
Nick©: :What I would like to know, is why you would lock all the rooms, dont you want people to go in them??
DevilGrrl (CK's): ok thanx
ZeroMage*: No...Locking them lets the prefs not be changed
Nick©: :ahhh
ZeroMage*: I gotta go...See you all later.
Cherri OTP: locking the room info door
Nick©: :feels stoopid again
ZeroMage*: :or something
Ph's horse: ok zero
~Pammie~: buh buy
Nick©: c-ya
ZeroMage*: Laterz people
DevilGrrl (CK's): just learning hon
Cherri OTP: later zero
Hank: Ken - thanks for comin - we really appreciate the time
DevilGrrl (CK's): bye zero
Steed~m~ô: latter zero
Danielle: cya zero
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: bye Zero
Cherri OTP: thank you ken for your time
MSlady: thanks Ken
wildcheree: good seeing you again PH been a long time
~Pammie~: yep tanks
Danielle: ty Ken
Cherri OTP: we apprecite you coming
Nick©: Thanks Ken
DevilGrrl (CK's): thanx ken
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: Yes...thank you Ken
Alan: Thank, Ken
Steed~m~ô: thanks for the info Ken
Hank: :and Ken's home phone number is.....
Ph's horse: nice to see some old faces! now, if you'd use oriental pearl cream.... oh nevermind
Danielle: lol
DevilGrrl (CK's): :thinking my wiz is sleeping over there
~Pammie~: lol
Hank: :very very classified
~Pammie~: **DDG
Cherri OTP: :waiting
Cherri OTP: lol
Odin ô: am no =Þ
DevilGrrl (CK's): lol
Ph's horse: bye everyone!
Nick©: BYE
Danielle: bye
Cherri OTP: bye bye
~Pammie~: byenow
Cherri OTP: lol
Odin ô: ciao
~Pammie~: see everyone buh bye ;-)
Cherri OTP: and thank you too Hank
~Pammie~: Thanks Hank
DevilGrrl (CK's): ty too hank
Nick©: Thanks Hank
Danielle: ty Hank
wildcheree: have to go see ya at The Grand Cherri
Cherri OTP: ok Wild
Alan: Tks for inviting me, Hank.
MSlady: Nice to see you all
wildcheree: bye all..;-)
MSlady: bye bye
Cherri OTP: bye bye
Hank: np
Nick©: BYE
Danielle: bye everyone
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: Thank you Hank ~smile~
MSlady: thank you hank
MSlady: :)
.ßhaia[Try's]^^: Take care all
DevilGrrl (CK's): cyall
MSlady: :wabbit
MSlady: :grin
Hank: :the more y'all know the less I have to make up :-)
MSlady: bye bye
MSlady: hehe
Cherri OTP: hehe
Nick©: :hah
Steed~m~ô: gonna have a talk with the others about the nucense, will let you know if we need to go a bit further with it
Cherri OTP: ok hon is this meeting over now
Hank: if you have facts I can go to his ISP
Hank: but I need dates, times, IP's etc
Hank: most of that I can get from yur logs
Cherri OTP: hugs Hank
Cherri OTP: bye bye
Hank: seeya Cherri
Alan: bye Cherri
Steed~m~ô: yep, been telling them to take notes
Nick©: arf
Nick©: *grabs on to Alans tail*
Steed~m~ô: and copies of the guys icq messages
Alan: :Pesky puppy
Nick©: Do you work with hank, alan
Alan: Hank and I worked at the same company for many years but never met.
Hank: I need some pretty good examples of threats, etc
Alan: We live a mile or so apart.
Hank: logs is best
Steed~m~ô: you'll have em. just need to find out if they want to go this route
Nick©: :are you...pulling my ail
Nick©: :tail*
Alan: Nope.
Alan: We met after I retired.
Nick©: never me
Nick©: uh huh
Hank: ok Steed let me know
Steed~m~ô: i think it should have been done a while ago.
Steed~m~ô: will do
Hank: no need to tolerate that crap
Steed~m~ô: yep
Alan: Hank. Would individual owners have to run diagnostics or do you run them on the server?
Steed~m~ô: well, going to go talk with em. catch you latter
Hank: diagnostics?
Alan: Sorry, anti-virus
Hank: no need
Hank: no such thing as a virus in the Linux world
Nick©: :Alan is on Linux
Alan: Why were people here concerned with anti-virus then?
Hank: you mean on email attachments?
Alan: I assumed they meant the Palace sw.
Hank: they meant on files they received in email
Alan: ok
Hank: gotta run to that dinner
Alan: ok. Thanks.
Nick©: BYE
Hank: :poof
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