Opening Log VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hehehe deven .Deven ÷: hiyas hank VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hi hank ~Cally~: hi hank Tigger©ô: hi hank LittLe0nE .ß: huggers Hank how are you please Hank: hey all Maryellen©: Hi Hank LittLe0nE .ß: hiya Higgy Maryellen©: Hi Higgy ~Cally~: Hi higgy ~ash~{ß's}: heya Hig *S* Smagle©ô: Hi ya's Higgy :) Hank: :did everyone do their homework? :-) LittLe0nE .ß: hiya Gem .Deven ÷: !Baby ~Cally~: Hi gem Smagle©ô: hello Gem :) Smagle©ô: Hi Tanis :-) LittLe0nE .ß: hiya Tanis ~ash~{ß's}: afternoon, Gem...Tanis *S* VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hi gem ~Cally~: Hi baby ~Cally~: smiles VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hi tanis Higgy~(B's): hello A/all Hank: :ok please pass your homework assignments to the front of the room VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): cally tanis like to float lol ~Cally~: hehe hank Jordan: back ~ash~{ß's}: :homework? my brother ate my homework... ~Cally~: yep...lol Smagle©ô: :my dog ate mine Hank: :thot it was yur dog VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): so did mine sorry Tanis©: Tanis says HI and HELLO to:, LittLe0nE .ß, Jordan, Cartman©, Cartman's Chica!, Bratô, ~ash~{ß's}, Maryellen©, ~Cally~, .Deven ÷, VIBEL(CLIPPER"S), Smagle©ô, Tigger©ô, Hank, Higgy~(B's), .Gemô ÷ * LittLe0nE .ß * i was molested this week and part of last Hank i didnt get home work Smagle©ô: LOL ~ash~{ß's}: don't have a dog... Smagle©ô: Gem? Smagle©ô: you stuck? Higgy~(B's): aw ash he got mine 1st .Deven ÷: :she may be laggin Hank: ok is everyone here? ~ash~{ß's}: who...my brother ate your homework, too? sheesh Maryellen©: :the cat ate mine Smagle©ô: I am Smagle©ô: lol VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): lol yuppers ~Cally~: yep..smiles ~ash~{ß's}: i think Silk is coming along... Hank: anyone who is not here please raise your hand Maryellen©: Hi Tanis ~ash~{ß's}: :what if it's a wing? Maryellen©: ^hand VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): lol .Deven ÷: mentally or physically? VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): lol LittLe0nE .ß: put your hand down silly Hank: :or wing or paw Smagle©ô: Is this considered raising? ~ash~{ß's}: lol Maryellen©: ok Bratô: ^fang VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): lol smags Maryellen©: ^wing Hank: OK my name is Hank and I'm from chatserve Bratô: Maryellen©: .Deven ÷: hi baby ~Cally~: hi hank Jordan: hi hank.. Bratô: Hiyas Hank VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hi hank Hank: if yur here for the wiz/god/palace class yur in the right place Higgy~(B's): hey Hank ~ash~{ß's}: *wave* Maryellen©: Hi Hank from Chatserv Hank: if yur here to pick up a quick date please do it quietly Jordan: I thought this was NA VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): good smags we found the right place lol .Deven ÷: lol Smagle©ô: ROFL Tigger©ô: lol Bratô:LittLe0nE .ß: rofl Higgy~(B's): how quiet Smagle©ô: :scouting the room for a quicky Hank: so - let's start with everyone saying what palace they're from LittLe0nE .ß: Bayou Dreams Cartman©: Cartmans Hangout Hank: !MS!!!! ~ash~{ß's}: Bayou Dreams *S* Jordan: Cartmans Hangout Higgy~(B's): Bayou Dreams VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): smagsworld ~Cally~: Splendors of Nature Tigger©ô: Smag's & Tigger's World Maryellen©: My Corner Smagle©ô: Smags & Tiggers World Bratô: ^MyCorner© Cartman's Chica!: Cartman's hangout .Deven ÷: Amazing Waterfall Fantasy Tanis©: splendors of nature VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): sorry forgot tigger Tigger©ô: haha Bratô: Hank: ok cool .Deven ÷: hehe Tigger©ô: yer fired VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): slap me later hehe Hank: I'd like to introduce MSLady up in the corner - she's the desigenr of this place and a palace guru ~ash~{ß's}: greet ings, MSlady *S* .Gemô ÷: all done...hi folks :-) Jordan: )applause VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hi Ms .Deven ÷: howdy mslady ~Cally~: Hi MS Bratô: Hiyas MS Smagle©ô: Hello MS LittLe0nE .ß: hiya MsLady huggers Higgy~(B's): hi MS Tanis©: hi ms Maryellen©: :*G* Hi MS :-) MSlady: hiya :)) LittLe0nE .ß: misses you Mslady Jordan: =) MSlady: :hehe wow MSlady: thanks :) Hank: ok so I wanted to start with an announcement that EC has released a new server version Hank: 4.3.2 Maryellen©: mmhhmm LittLe0nE .ß: coolies Hank: we are testing it now Hank: it looks like they got the big prop bugs in 4.3.1 fixed * Maryellen© * Dont know if you are on the lists.. but there is a chat at PCG about server security tuesday Hank: it also fixes that wonderful annoying random hide/rejectprivate bug MSlady: :good LittLe0nE .ß: cool ~Cally~: cool ~ash~{ß's}: :a quiet woohoo .Deven ÷: :woohoo Higgy~(B's): cool VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): good Jordan: :finaly Smagle©ô: :I like to hide Hank: and the prop files are a LOT more stable LittLe0nE .ß: yes!!! Maryellen©: :good news there VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): yes good news ~ash~{ß's}: Silk will be happy...hehe Hank: they have not fixed the dat file bug that causes loss of rooms yet - but it is in the next rev * MSlady * at some point please invite the gods of the chatserve.com palaces to contact me about putting their link/room in here...I can tell em about it if you want LittLe0nE .ß: ohhh Hank: probably around Aug/Sep Hank: also - for you folks that do authoring Hank: EC advises DO NOT USE the older PC clients to author your palace LittLe0nE .ß: kay Maryellen©: older as in what versions or earlier? Jordan: What about macs? Hank: it has bugs that cause things like the lost doors and corrupt rooms Hank: Macs are OK LittLe0nE .ß: YES!!!!!!!! Jordan: k good.. Hank: ok another quick annonuncment LittLe0nE .ß: hate lost doors Hank: turnin the floor over to MS MSlady: I wanted you all to know MSlady: those of you that have palaces on chatserve.com (which I think is everyone here) MSlady: We want to add a link/room for each palace here MSlady: what we'd like to do... Smagle©ô: Kewlies MSlady: is get you to send a room in... MSlady: any room you choose... MSlady: and we need to have it "decorated"... MSlady: with your palace name....a link to your palace...etc LittLe0nE .ß: kay MSlady: you can be create in this way MSlady: here is my addy MSlady: ^mslady@mindspring.com MSlady: and we can have a really nice section here Hank: :if you don't know how to export a room for MS send her or me email and tell us which room on your palace to swipe MSlady: that has beautiful rooms ..one from each palace Smagle©ô: lol Maryellen©: room sized gif? MSlady: oh sure hehe that works :)) Maryellen©: mkay MSlady: yes .Deven ÷: lol MSlady: yes a room... MSlady: not a thumbnail MSlady: each room will be a link to a diff palace Maryellen©: k LittLe0nE .ß: cool MSlady: and in such will create a wonderful section of rooms here MSlady: :)) Smagle©ô: Great :) MSlady: ok !! Hank: so a room for each palace that says a little about your palace and a link to get there MSlady: yes correct and your name LittLe0nE .ß: nice Mslady sis MSlady: if you dont do text graphics MSlady: :contact me we can work something out MSlady: hehe LittLe0nE .ß: gigglin MSlady: ok Hank :) Hank: if any of you have not sent in a thumbnail graphic for the directory web page - send it to support@accesscom.com Hank: ok what's the next topic Hank: requests? Hank: :hmmmm Maryellen©: ^hand Hank: yes? Maryellen©: Ummm dont know how many are on the Palace lisats Maryellen©: err lists even Maryellen©: But there is a hacker/security related chat at Palace Community Group on Tuesday night Hank: oh cool Maryellen©: PH & MNB from communities.com are the speakers Hank: where/when? LittLe0nE .ß: yes LittLe0nE .ß: good chat Smagle©ô: ^Can we discuss corrupt props on a constant basis by our guests and our prop rooms? Maryellen©: Tuesday, June 29th 6:30 Pacific 9:30 Eastern Hank: where MaryEllen? Maryellen©: I will be running it in Palace Presents software Maryellen©: PCG.ksv.com:9998 Smagle©ô: Maryellen©: Good talk for all to attend :-) Hank: if yur concerned about security I suggest you make that chat MSlady: Thanks, ME :)) Maryellen©: Thanks Hank & MS Hank: noone knows more about palace security than those 2 guys Maryellen©: mmhhmm that is why I booked them :-) LOL Hank: ok there was a question about props Smagle©ô: Yes Hank Smagle©ô: our guests along with many of our own props Smagle©ô: are not being allowed to be worn Smagle©ô: WE get flooded with"Corrupt Prop" Hank: ok - a little background Hank: the palace server software used to accept any prop Hank: if the prop was corrupt it contaminated the server prop bag LittLe0nE .ß: yes Hank: then when you tried to restart your server it wouldn't boot Hank: because the prop bag had a corrupt prop in it Hank: a few versions ago, EC put a check on the incoming props Hank: it's called a CRC Hank: without getting real technical - it's a mathematical tag at the end of the prop that says the prop is valid LittLe0nE .ß: very effective to0 Hank: if the prop and the CRC don't match - it means the prop got corrupted since it was created Smagle©ô: ^Question Hank: either when it was on someone's disk or when it was being sent to the server Hank: yes? Smagle©ô: Hank...I understand what you are saying, but we are talking about over 50% of our guests that are not being allowed to use av's Smagle©ô: Where they can use them on other servers Hank: let me finish Smagle©ô: kk Hank: EC recently released 4.3.1 Hank: it had a MAJOR bug Hank: it attached the worng CRC to every prop it sent from the server Hank: so - every other palace server rejected it Hank: it was a HUGE problem LittLe0nE .ß: yers LittLe0nE .ß: yes Hank: which is why EC was so quick to release 4.3.2 Hank: MNB and Scottsman came down to our offices and did some tests and went back and fixed it the next day Hank: they announced the problem and the fix on all the palace mailing lists Maryellen©: :does everybody know how to get on them? Jordan: no.. Smagle©ô: No I'm totally lost right now Hank: great question Tigger©ô: me too Maryellen©: let me grab the URL Maryellen©: :I run a few of them *s* ~Cally~: thx ME MSlady: Hank what is the "fix" the new server version? Hank: the new server version calcualtes the CRC correctly Hank: ok smagle - the short version :-) MSlady: ok...but I think Smagle is referring to the fact that there are a ton of props out there still floating around Smagle©ô: :) MSlady: that are damaged... MSlady: and being rejected right?? Smagle©ô: Yes... Smagle©ô: Loads Hank: there is really nothing wrong with most of those props but they have a tag that makes the server think they are corrupt Smagle©ô: Even one I made just today MSlady: yes Maryellen©: the URL to see all the lists is: Hank: you made a prop and it was rejected? Maryellen©: ^http://mercury.communities.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl Captured a URL, see log. I have captured a possible WWW address from Maryellen©: "http://mercury.communities.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl" ~ßilk~: did you make it at your palace? Maryellen©: Smagle©ô: Yes Hank that happens all the time...most of our prop rooms are mising pieces of most of the av's MSlady: The only thing I have found that usually works is to open each piece of the prop and either rename it or change like one pixel in the piece and resave it. The server then re-downloads it as a new pro Smagle©ô: And most are custom just made av's MSlady: prop Smagle©ô: Which we have done MSlady: its a pain but usually works...didnt work?? Smagle©ô: No Hank: try one here that your server rejects MSlady: :hmm Smagle©ô: ALll my husbands props are gone Maryellen©: alos, screen capping yourself on a plain bg and then re-importing Smagle©ô: Well ok lol MSlady: they are not being accepted by any palace? Maryellen©: empty bag? Smagle©ô: RFOL MSlady: I see it. Smagle©ô: I'm sorry but this is one rigth now MSlady: parts of it Cartman©: mine too.. even before 4.3 its like ceartain people cant see a lot of prop peaces. then some can. Maryellen©: I see 2 parts MSlady: :nice prop...geez Hank: the chest is missing Tigger©ô: lol MSlady: :um maybe that one needs to be lost.. ~ash~{ß's}: i only see left top and bottom Tigger©ô: the arms the chest and the other leg Cartman©: lol Jordan: that av RULES! ~Cally~: lol Jordan: lol Smagle©ô: lol Cartman's Chica!: lol MSlady: :oh yah. Maryellen©: can you see it all on you Smagle? VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): yes if we could see the rest lol Smagle©ô: ^ *** The prop you tried using (928580373) is corrupted and will not be accepted by the server Hank: ok a little about prop file maintenance MSlady: well usually that helps, Smagle...try doing it on a diff server... Smagle©ô: Thats what I just got MSlady: then going back to your sever Smagle©ô: I have MS :-) MSlady: server with it MSlady: oh ... Smagle©ô: It works fine Hank: and you treied the edit and it's still rejected? Smagle©ô: yes hank MSlady: hmm Smagle©ô: Twice that one has been renamed and edited Hank: try it now Smagle©ô: My hubby has put in over 200 av's MSlady: on your server or others? Maryellen©: then if you can see it all, screen cap yourself and re-make it in a new prop bag Smagle©ô: and most are having this prob Maryellen©: his bag may be bad too :-( MSlady: yes thats true ME Smagle©ô: We have nine bags we use PFM MSlady: I was gonna suggest that if all else fails Smagle©ô: BUt its just not us Smagle©ô: its most all our guests also Smagle©ô: Thats why we were wondering MSlady: try reediting that prop here now? Smagle©ô: if it could be something in our dat? MSlady: :curious MSlady: :or a diff prop..please Hank: ok smagle - do you have prop bags to back up your rooms? MSlady: :hehe Maryellen©: :sounds like a prop bag bad on the server? Smagle©ô: LOL MS Smagle©ô: Sorry MSlady: could be ME maybe that prop file is damaged Smagle©ô: Most yes..but I have others that come in and have their own prop rooms Hank Hank: do you have prop bags to back up your prop rooms? Smagle©ô: Lagging sorry Hank: how often do you flush? MSlady: well if your prop file is damaged it wont handle props well Jordan: Usualy when I have a "damaged" prop I change the name of it... Smagle©ô: About every other day Smagle©ô: Always comes with 0 Smagle©ô: we purge then flush Hank: how do you type the command? Smagle©ô: we type `purgeprops Smagle©ô: then `flushprops MSlady: Smagle? please try now to edit that prop or another we cant see and then show it to us here again? Smagle©ô: hold on :-) MSlady: ok Hank: ok - that will use a default of 21 days - which won't accomplish much MSlady: does anyone have any other server prop file ??s? Smagle©ô: I'm gonna have to put it on to dump it MS MSlady: hehe ok Smagle©ô: Its not in this bag Hank: on both the purgeporps and flushprops commands you can tag on a number Tigger©ô: yes i usually do that Hank: like 'flushprops -1 Tigger©ô: i usually put one Smagle©ô: I ususally put a 5 hank Tigger©ô: 1 Smagle©ô: Tig puts 1 lol MSlady: what zactly does the -1 mean Hank? Hank: a positve number is days and a negative number is hours ~ßilk~: yes, what's 1 vs -1 MSlady: ok ~ßilk~: ahh MSlady: cool LittLe0nE .ß: days or hours Smagle©ô: Im gonna go to the gate to edit this MS :) Smagle©ô: brb :-) MSlady: so within last hour has been seen Tanis©: i do 99 to be safe Hank: the number -1 means flush everything that has not been shown in 1 hour ~ßilk~: 99? as in 99 days? Hank: ok real quick about props Maryellen©: ^q LittLe0nE .ß: hours silkie Tanis©: lagging sorry ~ßilk~: :I knew that..hehe Hank: you have a prop file on your server that is very buggy Deadeye600: Hank: it has anh index on the end that is easily corrupted Hank: that screws up the whole file LittLe0nE .ß: ahhhh Hank: also - prior to this version - EC was using the prop file to store a lot of user info Hank: like their hide status Hank: :which is where the hide bug came from LittLe0nE .ß: they change that Hank.? Hank: in the new version yes LittLe0nE .ß: coolies Hank: that stuff is no longer kept in the prop file LittLe0nE .ß: good Hank: who here runs prop rooms on their server? Cartman©: we do MSlady: ^me Deadeye600: me .Gemô ÷: we do Bratô: we do too LittLe0nE .ß: seperate server here Hank: ok - quick question - what happens if you run flushprops and noone has been in your prop rooms lately? Cartman©: they disapear Bratô: you lose em? Tigger©ô: we loose some of our avs .Gemô ÷: huh? Hank: ok - to prevent that - there are two options Hank: you have a question gem? .Gemô ÷: trying to understand what was just said...you loose your props ? MSlady: you cannot see them Tigger©ô: out of the generators Hank: if you do a flush - the server does not spare the props for your prop rooms MSlady: best to keep a copy of each prop in a prop bag before purging or flushing....go thru and check w/ an empty bag after if you arent seeing them...come back thru w/ the bag that has the props in it .. Hank: so there are two approaches ~ßilk~: hmmm MSlady: it will re introduce them to the server * MSlady * sorry LittLe0nE .ß: yeps .Gemô ÷: ok ~ßilk~: ^hand up Hank: approach #1 - what MS said - go thru your rooms just before the flush and show every prop Hank: yes Silk ~ßilk~: so you don't need to re-input the av into the script..just have the bag with the prop on you Maryellen©: ^wing MSlady: put each prop in a bag you keep for such purpose MSlady: correct ~ßilk~: hmm..interesting, ty Hank: ok let's get real deep here :-) *** ; Hank is Painting ~ßilk~: I get it ~ßilk~: pc prop feeds the server LittLe0nE .ß: yes Hank: yup Hank: approach #2 - go ahead and flush and come back and fill in after Hank: to do this you need a prop bag that has all the props for your generator in it MSlady: :good insurance Hank: yes ME? Maryellen©: On some servers, the space is limited.. and when you do a flushprops it needs to have room to make a duplicate of the .prp file. Is this the setup here or do you run shared space for room to do this? Hank: you have plenty of space for a flush MSlady: :good Hank: the server hard drive is 18GB and is one third full LittLe0nE .ß: hiya Freak huggers Maryellen©: okies :-) *** Page from System: MSlady made god Hank: ok back to Smagle Smagle©ô: k Maryellen©: and can you explain prop being requested from your server versus having thee prop in your bag when you check for them? Hank: test #1 - get a virgin prop bag and go look at your prop rooms Smagle©ô: kk Hank: was just gonna do that :-) Maryellen©: :s Jordan: *S* Hank: the reason for the virgin prop bag is so if you see a bad prop you KNOW it's bad on the server Hank: without the virgin prop bag - it could be bad in your prop bag or the server ~ßilk~: would it be best to compress and exit your own palace software first...just to be sure? MSlady: :also great way to know if your server is serving the props :)) Hank: don't just compress - get a VIRGIN bag ~ßilk~: ahhh Hank: a virgin bag means the one that came with the software MSlady: delete it after you use it MSlady: use a new one each time Smagle©ô: kk Hank: if you don't have a virgin prop bag you can get it at... Smagle©ô: So one from my PFM would fine as long as it is empty correct? Hank: ^http://www.thepalace.com/downloads/extras.html LittLe0nE .ß: no LittLe0nE .ß: virgin MSlady: here is the addy to get a brand new empty prop bag Smagle©ô: ok MSlady: ^http://www.thepalace.com/downloads/extras.html Captured a URL, see log. I have captured a possible WWW address from MSlady: "http://www.thepalace.com/downloads/extras.html" Hank: ok - the problem is an empty prop bag is not empty :-) MSlady: and then delete the props in it Smagle©ô: kk Smagle©ô: alright * MSlady * no? *** ; Hank is Erasing LittLe0nE .ß: it holds a memory EVEN in PFM Hank: ok - a little quickie about prop bags Smagle©ô: ok Hank: you have a prop bag on your home puter Hank: it holds your props - PLUS - every prop you have seen on every palace since you last compressed .Gemô ÷: ahhhh LittLe0nE .ß: thats why when you compress it purges Hank: they're in there - you just can't see them ~ßilk~: that's why it can get sooo huge Maryellen©: :it is like a cache on your browser LittLe0nE .ß: yes LittLe0nE .ß: xactly Hank: now - when you log onto a server the server sends a list of prop serial numbers to your home puter Hank: your puter checks the bag and puts up the ones it already has - and then asks the servfer for the ones it dosen't have Hank: that way the same prop dosen't have to be sent to you over and ver Smagle©ô: ^Comment Hank: yes? Smagle©ô: hank Little one is an example of what happens at our place all the time Jordan: Q but its not about props Smagle©ô: I can only see part of her av Jordan: ^Q but its not about props Smagle©ô: Thats the way it is with most of our guests * MSlady * was I wrong about the addy for the new prop file? Smagle©ô: they can never see all of everyones props Smagle©ô: Its not just me... Hank: missin pieces happens all the time Smagle©ô: its all my guest too ~ßilk~: I see all of her, but then her prop is always in my bag usually Smagle©ô: I've never had that happen before Hank: let's finish up on props Hank: who sees a pice missing on littleun? .Gemô ÷: I do ~Cally~: :here MSlady: me MSlady: dont see middle Bratô: :me Higgy~(B's): looks good here LittLe0nE .ß: which pieces MSlady: go up on stage for a secy MSlady: yah MSlady: middle left *** ; Maryellen© is Painting ~ßilk~: so the people that have her prop in our bag already see her *** ; Maryellen© is Erasing ~Cally~: @104,90 here Maryellen©: missing Hank: ok - so - anyone who sees all of littleun already had her prop in their bag - a good copy Cartman's Chica!: middle lft ~ash~{ß's}: yup *** ; Maryellen© is Erasing Hank: anyone who sees a piece missing did not get it cuz the server did not accept it Smagle©ô: Rigth... Smagle©ô: And thats waht I'm trying to say ~Cally~: now usually editing it helps right? *** ; Maryellen© is Erasing Maryellen©: there too Smagle©ô: It does not accept most of them :-) MSlady: yes susually Cally Hank: yes editing it will correct it - because - that gives it a new serial number and causes the server to grab it and send it to each of us Maryellen©: ^flush comment FÆeak on a leaßh: lol FÆeak on a leaßh: opps Hank: everyone see it now? Maryellen©: mmhhmm Tigger©ô: yes Cartman's Chica!: yes Maryellen©: ^flush comment .Gemô ÷: yes i do ~Cally~: yes I do now..smiles MSlady: yes MSlady: but Smagle cant get hers to work :( Maryellen©: ^flush comment MSlady: :she says Hank: ok so,let's finish up on smeagles prop problems MSlady: right? ~ßilk~: excuse me ~ßilk~: I konw why Smagle's doesn't work Tigger©ô: but does this mean we have to have people do this every single time a prop doesn't get accepted? Hank: get a virgin bag and go look at your rooms ~ßilk~: her palace is on a PC Smagle©ô: Which is 90% of the time ~ßilk~: completely different problem ~ßilk~: then server Hank: if the prop is not getting accepted it is probly corrupt - or - it was generated on a 4.3.1 server Maryellen©: ^flush comment Smagle©ô: How do we get the new 4.3.2 version? Hank: go ahead ME Hank: it will be out next week Deadeye600: Q but on web not prop Hank: Smagel - if you want we can go to your server after class and talk about props in detail Hank: go ahead ME Maryellen©: another way of running props.. and this is what we do at MC Smagle©ô: KK Hank Maryellen©: is to take an empty bag in BEFORE you flush Maryellen©: and run the generators Maryellen©: then do a 'flushprops 7 Hank: :I was gonna get to tha but we shud move on to other questions Maryellen©: and it will kill anything not requested in the last 7 days Maryellen©: we have had the best luck with this method Bratô: mmhmm MSlady: Silk had a solution? MSlady: for Smagle? ~ßilk~: for Smagle..I know why her's isn't working correctly ~ßilk~: she has a personal pc palace Hank: she has a palace here Maryellen©: ahhhh not on Unix? Hank: no - her palace is here ~ßilk~: well..I just asked her and she said it was on a pc.. Tigger©ô: we have a chatserve palace Smagle©ô: yes..we are on Chatserve Silk... I misunderstood your question hon ~ßilk~: oh ~ßilk~: nvrmd then Hank: question in the corner MSlady: thanks tho!! Jordan: When does "Ratbot" come out for our use? MSlady: :) Hank: ratbot is the property of EC - I'll have yto ask them Bratô: ^q about PPViewer Jordan: thanks.. Hank: yes brato? Bratô: k.. Bratô: I recently had an strange thing happen to me.. Bratô: Last nigh was testing out the Palacepresents viewier and Moderator in Mycorner Bratô: for some odd reason i wasnt recviing events or asking to join.. Bratô: after going thru several dlls and then uninstalling and reinstalling recent client.. MSlady: :) Hank: there are a TON of bugs in PP - and a lot depends on the version of client you are using Bratô: popped over to an diffrent server.. it worked like a charm.. though it was fixed.. Maryellen©: mmhhmm Bratô: tried at mycorner.chatserve.com again.. not work.. Maryellen©: worked on ksv, xsia, and the nt server Bratô: tried on other palaces and servers.. just not at chatserve =/ Hank: brato please send an email to support Hank: I'm not an expert on PP Hank: and it will take a lot of tweaking Bratô: K.. thanks.. was just puzzled.. Bratô: didnt understand why others around me with the same software could see but not me Hank: ok I have a quick question for y;'all Hank: log files LittLe0nE .ß: kay Hank Hank: currently we rotate the logs once a week and keep 4 weeks on the server Hank: we have had some requests to change the rotation to daily - and keep 30 days Hank: comments? MSlady: hmm that might be helpful in locating a specific event or user LittLe0nE .ß: 4 weeks = 30 days .? Hank: right now each log file is a week Jordan: actualy 4 weeks is 28 Hank: some sya they are too big ~Cally~: I think daily would be best .Gemô ÷: so new here havent' even attempt looking at logs yet LittLe0nE .ß: yes id like that Hank Jordan: ^washroom.. Hank: so - instead of having 4 logs that are a week each you would have 30 logs that were a day each ~Cally~: going thru a weeks worth of logs is a waste of time LittLe0nE .ß: yes LittLe0nE .ß: cool idea ~Cally~: if we know the date..wouldbe easier to locate LittLe0nE .ß: much easyer Smagle©ô: oops Hank: anyone want to keep it at weeks and not switch to days? Smagle©ô: lol Smagle©ô: I like days ~Cally~: I vote days LittLe0nE .ß: me to0 Hank: ok we'll look at switching it to days LittLe0nE .ß: coolies ~Cally~: smiles Hank: next question MSlady: thanks :) LittLe0nE .ß: yes thank you Hank Hank: someone had a web question Hank: noone? Bratô: ^q Hank: yes Brat? Smagle©ô: ^?? Bratô: do i contact Chatserve tech support or Palace support for my PPV problem? LittLe0nE .ß: think its for icq Hank Hank: start with us Bratô: addy to contact? Hank: support@accesscom.com Bratô: and person to get in touch wtih, please? Bratô: Thank you =) * Higgy~(B's) * was Deadeye bout web Hank: and include the version of your client and your PP moderator Hank: yes Smagle Smagle©ô: Will the new 4.3.2 version be an automatic upload to us or will we have to d/l? Hank: no you will just have to restart your server Smagle©ô: ok Jordan: much better LittLe0nE .ß: cool Hank: but there are some issues with 4.3.2 Deadeye600: ^brb Hank: I'll get to that when there are no more questions Maryellen©: :quit steppin on me Hank: any questions? ~Cally~: none here Deadeye600: website Q Hank: go ahead Deadeye Deadeye600: what is a good program for making the webpage Jordan: Frontpage Express... Hank: I don't know - I write web pages by hand with a text editor :-) Maryellen©: Netscape composer or front page express Deadeye600: ohh ill look into them Deadeye600: thanks Maryellen©: :used to write them in text editor but got tired of it Bratô: I use FPExpress. good one for starters.. Jordan: We made the hangouts from a notepad.. MSlady: :I like Homesite by Allaire Maryellen©: Hot Dog is good too ~ßilk~: Homesite rocks Hank: next question? LittLe0nE .ß: notepad all i use Jordan: I liked Coffe Cup! ~ßilk~: I used to use only notepad ~ßilk~: :got lazy though Hank: ok back to the props and 4.3.2 LittLe0nE .ß: wb Tigger Hank: Smagle - one or more things are contributing to your problem Jordan: ^BRB Hank: #1 - your server prop file may be severly corrupted and not taking props well FÆeak on a leaßh: Smagle©ô: Which could of happened while on a personal pserver? Hank: #2 - there are a ton of bad props out there cuz of 4.3.1 - nothing can be done about those Smagle©ô: and brought over to chatserve? LittLe0nE .ß: yes * MSlady * ack using pc prop file on a unix? Hank: you brought your prop file from a personal server? LittLe0nE .ß: thats it Smagle©ô: Maybe be best just to dump our entire palace.prp? Jordan: back MSlady: yes Smagle©ô: And start fresh? Hank: the format of a prop file on a personal server and a UNIX machine is totally different Tigger©ô: but then we will loose everything in our prop rooms? MSlady: yes I do it regularly Hank: yes - that would be smart - but before you toss it all away MSlady: not if you have them in bags Smagle©ô: kk Ms :_) Smagle©ô: We do Maryellen©: I gotta run.. see ya all tuesday hopefully :-) LittLe0nE .ß: good Smagle©ô: Or we can get them Maryellen©: byeeeeeeeeee MSlady: byee Jordan: =) Hank: get a VIRGIN prop bag and go through your rooms Smagle©ô: kk Mary :-) LittLe0nE .ß: bye bye Jordan: bye LittLe0nE .ß: huggers Higgy~(B's): bye ME Smagle©ô: ok Hank Hank: that will save off any good props Hank: now - about moving to 4.3.2 Hank: the good news is that EC made a lot of updates and the prop file is now more stable Hank: the bad news is the format of the file changed Hank: so you cannot just move to 4.3.2 and keep your old prop file LittLe0nE .ß: ouchies Hank: you need to save all your props off to your prop bag - then zero your prop file - then switch to 4.3.2 - then fill back in ~ßilk~: :ow Higgy~(B's): sounds like fun time LittLe0nE .ß: yes Hank: the end result will be a MUCH more stable prop file - but it takes work LittLe0nE .ß: kay Hank: we have been trying to figure out a conversion process to use the old prop file but there is no way to do it reliably LittLe0nE .ß: sigh .Gemô ÷: and the new version will be out when again? Hank: next week Hank: probly Wednesday .Gemô ÷: ok..i'm just starting to put in my prop rooms so maybe i should hold off? Hank: yes that would be good Gem LittLe0nE .ß: yes Gem .Gemô ÷: ok thanks :-) Hank: so the conversion goes like this....... LittLe0nE .ß: yes Silkie sigh Hank: 1)We relaes 4.3.2 for your use Hank: 2) you get a virgin bag and run through your prop rooms to grab them all (if you don't already have this) Hank: 3) shut down your server Hank: 4)restart your server with a zero prop file (an option on the utility page) Hank: 5) log onto your server and fill the props back in Smagle©ô: You fill them back in by just running through each room Hank? Hank: yup Smagle©ô: Just making sure I"m following you :-) LittLe0nE .ß: yes Silkie good idears Jordan: Does anyone realise that our servers are all unprotected..? Hank: if you restart with a zero prop file and you have the props in your bag - the server will grab them from your prop bag for the server prop file Tigger©ô: ok question Tigger©ô: the other day Hank: explain Jordan? LittLe0nE .ß: yes Silkie Jordan: well for instance our palace has not one wiz there...we get ALOT of hackers..and umm no one is there to stop them.. Hank: stop them from doing hat? Hank: doing what? FÆeak on a leaßh: ^brb cheakin to see if there is any mail Jordan: hacking.. Hank: like what? LittLe0nE .ß: yuse your passes and script locks Higgy~(B's): auto kick FÆeak on a leaßh: ^brb getting pics for my palace bgs Jordan: well we have one guy who has that hackpalace version..where they can steal scripts.. Hank: noone can steal scripts LittLe0nE .ß: well Jordan: we kill him constantly.. LittLe0nE .ß: lets face it Tigger©ô: our scripts won't lock Jordan: he keeps comming back * MSlady * actually w/ that hacked mac client cant they? Hank: Jordan - noone can steal your scripts LittLe0nE .ß: there arent many scripts out there you cant get MSlady: is he seeing into your doors? Jordan: yes.. MSlady: there is a fix for that... MSlady: Glide thought of FÆeak on a leaßh: Bratô: Would like to remind everyone about the Security/Hacker chat with MNB and PH .. maybe thy can take care of your questions... MSlady: yes very good suggestion :) LittLe0nE .ß: there ya goes MSlady: there was/is a hacked Mac client Jordan: ohh yes..THANK YOU MSlady: that can look in doors LittLe0nE .ß: they ARE the best Hank: those are the guys with all the answers MSlady: it cant permantley change things Jordan: i have a mac i don't like it.. MSlady: but Glide thought of this MSlady: he said.. MSlady: put important scripts in doors that are very tiny Hank: to protect your scripts turn authoring off when you are not there MSlady: and then make another door on top of that Hank: no no no LittLe0nE .ß: pin point MSlady: no no no? Hank: to protect your scripts turn authoring off when you are not there Hank: or when you don't need it Jordan: which we do..but someone ALWAYS forgets.. Smagle©ô: Fire them Smagle©ô: LOL Hank: and password protect your rooms Hank: ok - to clear up the hack client rumor LittLe0nE .ß: and make your pass words at LEAST 8 letters MSlady: I forget also .Gemô ÷: password protect? .Gemô ÷: god my head is spinning lol Hank: in the mac client some people figured out a way to use resedit to turn on the wiz menu even when they are not wizzed * MSlady * Im sorry...but a guy came to my palace and demonstrated this client to me (shutting up) Hank: this (maybe) means they can get into "room info" and mess around Jordan: yes.. LittLe0nE .ß: has that been fixed on new version Hank: and get into authoring FÆeak on a leaßh: dang FÆeak on a leaßh: oh crap Hank: no it's a client issue Hank: not a server issue LittLe0nE .ß: kay Hank: so - when you are not authoring - turn authoring off LittLe0nE .ß: yes it would be huh Hank: and - password protect your rooms Jordan: :long session.. FÆeak on a leaßh: i do that at mine Jordan: same here.. Jordan: but not all the rooms.. Hank: Gem - to password protect a room - click on the padlock in the room info box FÆeak on a leaßh: all the rooms here FÆeak on a leaßh: at my palace FÆeak on a leaßh: ^brb .Gemô ÷: okies Jordan: We should have a big chatserve party.. FÆeak on a leaßh: Jordan: lol Hank: we should :-) FÆeak on a leaßh: lol ~ßilk~: yep...have to unlock to edit the room, but just remember to lock up when you're done and author off Hank: some more on security Hank: anyone need to protect their palace against clumsy wizzes? :-) .Gemô ÷: ohh i like that...thanks LittLe0nE .ß: we do VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): lol Jordan: yes Smagle©ô: ^How bout clumsy Goddess'? Smagle©ô: ROFL .Gemô ÷: lol ~ßilk~: *G* @ash VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): rofl ~ßilk~: :poke ~ash~{ß's}: :heyyy Hank: there is a new command where you can set who can do what on your palace FÆeak on a leaßh: cool Jordan: cool Smagle©ô: ^Can I protect myself from messing up? VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): great Hank: let's say for instance you only want gods to be able to author VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): nothing can help u mom Jordan: we have our palace set up like main Jordan: Hosts/wiz Jordan: so gods are like wiz' Hank: you turn authoring off and then set it so only gods can turn it back on Jordan: s FÆeak on a leaßh: how? Hank: the command is called setrank LittLe0nE .ß: gigglin Jordan: and hosts can't kill but pin and stuf.. Hank: the ranks are ------ Hank: 0 = guest Hank: 1 - registered member Jordan: yeah thats what we have.. Hank: 2 - wiz Hank: 3 - god FÆeak on a leaßh: q Hank: so if you only want gids to be able to turn authoring on.... Jordan: We use wiz/host not god/wiz Hank: type 'setrank 'authoring 3 FÆeak on a leaßh: k Hank: actually smagle you can :-) FÆeak on a leaßh: Q not about this though ~ash~{ß's}: :listening Hank: make a copy of your dat file LittLe0nE .ß: we all ready do Smagle©ô: :) Hank: it contains EVERYTHING about your palace Hank: if you mess up - put the old one back in FÆeak on a leaßh: ^Q not about this though Hank: go ahead freak FÆeak on a leaßh: how do i chang the gate pic it wont let me Hank: room info FÆeak on a leaßh: yeah i know Hank: what happens when you try? FÆeak on a leaßh: but it wouldnt it messed Hank: what happens when you try? ~ash~{ß's}: ^wing Jordan: the pictures arent uploaded to the server? FÆeak on a leaßh: the colors and stuff get messed up LittLe0nE .ß: where you have room/gate picture stored Hank: the file has to be in your media directory on the server Hank: ah - that's a pallette issue FÆeak on a leaßh: yeah i know. mabey it was just messed up that time LittLe0nE .ß: kaysyes Silkie ~ßilk~: kisses Hank: to look good on palace the pic has to be in the palace paLLETTE LittLe0nE .ß: li'soft kisses Hank: GO AHEAD ASH ~ash~{ß's}: regarding the dat file... Hank: yes? ~ash~{ß's}: say...someone accidentally unbans everyone...that can be fixed by replacing w/ backup dat file? LittLe0nE .ß: yes Hank: yes Hank: about the dat file ~ash~{ß's}: :good...now i won't get chewed out next time...hehe LittLe0nE .ß: ash no one listens to me there Hank: anyone ever lost rooms when they restarted their palace? ~ash~{ß's}: i know FÆeak on a leaßh: nope .Gemô ÷: :not yet .Gemô ÷: wb sweetie .Deven ÷: ty ty FÆeak on a leaßh: :i dont think Higgy~(B's): yes i heard of that Hank ~Cally~: no we havent Hank: when you start your server - if it finds a script error in a room - it stops - and you lose all the rooms after that Hank: this is a bug in the server that they say is fixed in version 4.4 FÆeak on a leaßh: nope just cant go in that room on mine LittLe0nE .ß: coollllll Higgy~(B's): so if is bad script u lose after? Hank: if you look in your directory on the server you will see lots of dat files Hank: what we do is save a copy of your dat file everytime you start your server Hank: so - if this bug bites you - you shut down - and stick in the old file LittLe0nE .ß: get last one Hank: you can swap dat files thriugh the utility page Higgy~(B's): cool ty Hank: anyone ever work on their dat file directly? FÆeak on a leaßh: no FÆeak on a leaßh: didnt know you could LittLe0nE .ß: never needed to MSlady: :yes Hank: if you do - you need to shut down the server before sticking the new one in Jordan: is this class almost done? FÆeak on a leaßh: cool Hank: the server reads the dat file into memory and writes it back to disk when it shuts down Hank: ya we're just answering questions Jordan Jordan: oohhh ok Jordan: thanks, Smagle©ô: Hank? May I ask about the locking of the scripts? Hank: :by the way yur homework looke great Hank: sure Smagle Jordan: sorry if I sound impatient, I got to make supper Smagle©ô: We are having a problem...that when I lock down the scripts and pw protect them...Tig can go right in after me and the lock is unlocked... Smagle©ô: So can I LittLe0nE .ß: hmmm Hank: ya some people have been reporting that Smagle©ô: We have been trying to lock our gate Smagle©ô: cant do it Hank: I can't get it to break for me Smagle©ô: Our props we can lock VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): lol Smagle©ô: but not the gate Smagle©ô: Our sound rooms we cant lock either LittLe0nE .ß: hmmm Hank: let me take a peek smagle Smagle©ô: kk Hank :-) LittLe0nE .ß: sounds like server isnt reading it huh Hank: you been usin setrank a lot :-) Smagle©ô: We have setrank on most of our things yes Hank: I show your gate as unlocked FÆeak on a leaßh: c ya ppl! Smagle©ô: yes...but I locked it FÆeak on a leaßh: i am leavin MSlady: bye bye ;) LittLe0nE .ß: bye bye Freak Smagle©ô: Bye FOL Hank: let's go there right after class Smagle©ô: kk :-) tanks Hanks Hank: anyone got anything else? Smagle©ô: Not me :-) VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): nope Higgy~(B's): good here Smagle©ô: Thanks for all the needed info :-) ~Cally~: not here Hank: how often y'all wanna have these classes? LittLe0nE .ß: just to thank you for jumping fast to catch bugs VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): yes thank you hank and MS Tigger©ô: ok here LittLe0nE .ß: 1 month MSlady: welcome :) Hank: once a month? ~Cally~: yes please LittLe0nE .ß: yes please VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): sounds good to me Hank: okie doke .Gemô ÷: sounds good .Deven ÷: kewlies Hank: we should do that party too :-) LittLe0nE .ß: coolies Smagle©ô: Well another server Hank: we're real close to 100 palaces ~Cally~: yeah that would be fun..smiles VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hummmmmmm now that sounds like fun Smagle©ô: I got a q on today Hank: yes? Smagle©ô: They are hosting the "Longest Conga Line" this evening LittLe0nE .ß: im bout to add to your 100 figure Smagle©ô: They will be going from palace to palace picking up new peeps to add to the line VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): lol Smagle©ô: Each within their own server...I thought that to be rather kewl :-) Smagle©ô: All of them visiting each others places :-) Smagle©ô: Maybe we could brainstorm something of this nature :-) Smagle©ô: Tigs and I will be happy to help put it together with ya :-) ~Cally~: smags is good with planning such events...smiles VIBEL(CLIPPER"S): hehehe she sure is Hank: I gotta run for a few - will meet you at your place smagle Smagle©ô: kk Hank :-) Hank: MS thanks for comin LittLe0nE .ß: thank you Hank Smagle©ô: Thanks :-) No Connection Connecting... Connected via TCP /// Log on Scripts Enabled /// *** Say 'SIGNUP' to go ahead and sign-up with us. Say 'HOSTED' to see Palace Servers hosted with us. Say 'FAQ' to see our Palace FAQs. 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Hank: @64,64 !It's Hank *** The operators have been paged *** The operators have been paged Received picture propbook2 Received picture aquatour Received picture animaltour **Smagle©ô: Hi Hank :-) **Smagle©ô: Just going around trying to lock up some rooms :-) Received picture wcgate2 Hank: just a sec **Smagle©ô: Seems the ones with the heaviest scripting are the ones that don't want to cooperate :-) **Smagle©ô: kk :-) **Smagle©ô: ^brb :-) **Smagle©ô: Hank: back **Smagle©ô: kk ;) **Smagle©ô: I have tried to lock down this room and most of our scripted rooms :-) **Smagle©ô: I go back in **Smagle©ô: and they wont take :-) **Smagle©ô: However some do Hank: ok if I god up? **Smagle©ô: Of course :-) *** You now have god privileges. Hank: what is the room password? **Smagle©ô: wink **Smagle©ô: Its the same for all rooms :_) Hank: ok it stayed locked for me **Smagle©ô: I see that ;) **Smagle©ô: let me see if I can unlock and lock it back up :-) Hank: ok **Smagle©ô: You ever had a baby do something just for you and then when ya want them to do it for gramma they wont? **Smagle©ô: LOL :-) Hank: always :-) Hank: yur not goin nuts **Smagle©ô: My music room which was an add-a-room is the same along with another ;-) Whats your secret? :) **Smagle©ô: KK :-) **Smagle©ô: Thanks Hank: a lot of people have reported this **Smagle©ô: ok ;-) Hank: it's intermittent so it's a bear to track down Hank: let's go to the other rooms **Smagle©ô: ahhh kk :-) *** ; Hank is Erasing Requested file timinbot Requested file clickhere Requested file vision1 Requested file vision2 Requested file blackbrd Requested file children Requested file ejcandl Requested file guitweep Requested file lithium Requested file octopus Requested file silence Requested file tears Requested file familyroom Received picture timinbot Received picture clickhere Received picture vision1 Received picture vision2 Received picture blackbrd Received picture tears Received picture silence Received picture octopus Received picture lithium Received picture guitweep Received picture ejcandl Received picture children **Smagle©ô: Same thing with this one :-) Hank: I have one theory about this bug **Smagle©ô: ok :-) **Smagle©ô: Wanna share? hehehe Hank: there is a limit on the amount of scripting you can put in one room Received picture familyroom Hank: 16k **Smagle©ô: ok :) Hank: if you get real close to that you can have trouble changing stuff with room info **Smagle©ô: Alright... I have two identical rooms...duped...one I can lock **Smagle©ô: the other I cant would you like to see them? :-) Hank: have you tried in here? **Smagle©ô: Yes several times :) Hank: try it now **Smagle©ô: Great :-) Hank: it worked? **Smagle©ô: Can you follow me to the next one? :-) **Smagle©ô: Sure did Hank :-) Hank: sure :-) Requested file whatsupdoc *** @372,188Ehhhhhh what's up Doc? When ya get the room, click on one of the waskily wabbits and type wabbit on when you want to talk. Hank: one thing about that theory Hank: if it's true **Smagle©ô: This is the room I duped...I just locked it **Smagle©ô: But its not locked :-) now..it was before though hehe Received picture whatsupdoc **Smagle©ô: Yes? *** ; **Smagle©ô is Erasing Hank: you may have trouble locking a room whern there are a lot of people on and no trouble when the server is empty **Smagle©ô: ok :) **Smagle©ô: I was just going through and trying to lock them :-) Hank: lots of people on tripping scripts or executing their own - that counts on the 16k **Smagle©ô: Most of the ones that are like this... that wont lock ahhhhh ok :-) Hank: this is just a theory though **Smagle©ô: Well its better than no theory at all :-) **Smagle©ô: thats what I say anyways :), so there :-Þ~~! Hank: ok so it's all working now? **Smagle©ô: This ones locked yes now :-), poopie pants! **Smagle©ô: Oops LOL, you waskliy wabbit! Hank: a script? :-) **Smagle©ô: yes..one of our loon rooms **Smagle©ô: lol **Smagle©ô: We have several like this **Smagle©ô: We like to have fun lol Hank: I gotta get goin - goin to shakespere tonight **Smagle©ô: kk Hank :-) Hank: :need some culture I guess :-) **Smagle©ô: thanks a bunch hon :-) **Smagle©ô: @87,258 !Thanks sooooo much hehehe You're a PEACH!!! **Smagle©ô: )kiss Hank: no problem Hank: :mush Hank: :poof **Smagle©ô: I'll go lock the rest :-)) No Connection