May 01, 1999 Palace Class held by Hank
12:00:00 - Opening Log
kitten{Daemon}: giggles
Hank: anyone got any favorite topics for today?
Ditzi §ø§: Anais....Is that a Greek name?
Gyrithe©: YEs
~Fur~: :not for public consumption *s*
Anais: @176,327 no french lol
Hank: I mean palace topics
~Fur~: lol
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Master Daemon: lol
Gyrithe©: Can we talk about having smaller logfiles
Anais: @176,327 :oh icq
Hank: you mean daily instead of weekly?
Gyrithe©: yes, something like that
Hank: or do you mean getting the error messages out of the log file?
Gyrithe©: it is too expencive to dl the log every day as it is now
Gyrithe©: No, please let the errormessages stay
Ditzi §ø§: expensive?
Gyrithe©: they are my reason for reading them :)
Hank: people overseas pay by the minute for access
Ditzi §ø§: LOL isa
Ditzi §ø§: oh i see hank
~Fur~: ouch
Gyrithe©: I play a lot to be online Ditzy
Hank: ok so let's get satrted
Hank: for the log - everybody please say your name and what palace you're with
~Fur~: Fur ---- Purrfect Illusions
Ditzi §ø§: Ditzi from Lady Luck
Sparr©w: Sparr©w - Utopia
Gyrithe©: Gyrithe - Owner and Goddess at Utopia
Anais: @176,327 Anais from Mysteria
Sylvery: Sylvery--Utopia
Isa: Isa from Lady Luck
Master Daemon: Master Daeom kitten's Sanctuary
kitten{Daemon}: kitten kittens santuray
Hank: is that everybody?
Ditzi §ø§: no isa...LOL she is from Lady Luck
Anais: @176,327 hi Keltic
Anais: @176,327 there you are
Hank: hi Keltic - introduce yourself
KelticMyßteria©: hello
Hank: what palace you from?
KelticMyßteria©: Mysteria
Hank: great
Hank: ok if noone has a favorite topic I'll go thru the list from the email and see if anyone wants to discuss them
Ditzi §ø§: k
Hank: anyone have any questions about the structure/features of your account?
Ditzi §ø§: Yes do you bill monthy?
Hank: yup
Ditzi §ø§: i believe i signed for 6 mos
Hank: if it's on a credit card
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: I belive they send out invoices quarterly for cash accounts
Hank: everybody know you get a web site with your account?
Gyrithe©: yep
Ditzi §ø§: yes
KelticMyßteria©: yes
Master Daemon: yes
kitten{Daemon}: yep
Isa: are there restrictions on what you can put on your web site?
Hank: restrictions?
Isa: like ads
Hank: just the normal legal restrictions :-)
Hank: ads is fine
Isa: k, thanks
Hank: ok when you log into your account with telnet or FTP.....
Gyrithe©: I have been wondering....
Hank: yes?
Gyrithe©: Do I actualy have to follow the Danish law...or the American law when I am hostet by you?
Hank: no idea
Hank: I guess the US law - I think
Gyrithe©: An excample is....
Gyrithe©: I have now an adult area....
Gyrithe©: by Danish law it wouldent be needed to passwordprotect it like I do
Hank: there is no hard US law on that matter
Hank: they tried a law last year and it died after 2 days
Gyrithe©: Oh...I thought porn was illegial till you were 12?
Gyrithe©: 21 even ;)
Sylvery: lol!
Isa: 18
Sparr©w: :eheh
Hank: porn is illegal - but the US Congress has not figured out a way to regulate it yet
Hank: stay away from kiddie porn and you'll be ok :-)
Gyrithe©: No prob then :)
Hank: ok when you log into your account with telnet or FTP.....
Hank: palace, palace-web and palace-ftp
Hank: inside the palace directory there are three essential directories
Hank: logs, media and psdata
Hank: logs is obvious
Hank: media is where your pictures and sounds go
Hank: psdata is where your dat file and prop file live
Gyrithe©: :or die!
Hank: tha dat file contains the description of your palace
Hank: or die?
Hank: ah - got it :-)
Gyrithe©: Smile....I meant the propfile
Hank: we have had one case where someone went in while the server was running and deleted their dat file
Hank: don't do this :-)
Sparr©w: :uff
Ditzi §ø§: i havent added a room yet...but all i would need to do is just upload the new pic?
Hank: and make the room - yup
Ditzi §ø§: k
Gyrithe©: May I say something
Hank: sure
Gyrithe©: I learned the hard way----for the Instant to work...
Hank: anyone just shout out anything that comes to mind
Gyrithe©: only use 8 small letters in your names
Hank: yes - was just coming to that
Dennis: What do people think of the ads
Ditzi §ø§: What is the instant palace? Like the personal server one?
Hank: ok - in your meida directory
Hank: Instant Palace is accessing your palace through a web browser
Ditzi §ø§: oh cool
kitten{Daemon}: wait...8 letters in what name.?
~Fur~: ^how do you set that up to work?
Gyrithe©: your sounds and pic's names
Hank: room pictures need to be in GIF format, non interlaced
kitten{Daemon}: kk
Hank: Instant palace is set up when you set up your account
~Fur~: and addy you use to access?
Ditzi §ø§: Dennis i understand ads are necessary for palace to run...but a pain
Hank: for Instant Palace - room pic names should be lowercase xxxxxxxx.gif
Hank: I'll have to look up the addy Fur
Hank: item #1 for the after class email - Instant Palace
Ditzi §ø§: isnt the instant palace to access our palaces already up?
Hank: yes it is - I just don't remember it
Gyrithe©: http://utopia.chatserve.com/palacepub/client/instantpal.html
Captured a URL, see log.
I have captured a possible WWW address from Gyrithe©:
"http://utopia.chatserve.com/palacepub/client/instantpal.html"
Hank: there ya go
Ditzi §ø§: so in order for that to work....all the room names hafta be lower case?
Gyrithe©: Just replace the name with YOUR palace name
Hank: not the room names
Hank: the names of the pictures for the room
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: sounds also go there
Ditzi §ø§: so we hafta set this up first?
Hank: no - we set it up with your account
Ditzi §ø§: LOL okay
Hank: but you can modify it
Hank: I'll send out a whole bit on Instant Palace after the class in email
Gyrithe©: I have a problem with my Instant palace
Hank: I admit I haven't looked at it in a while
Hank: yes Grythie?
Gyrithe©: It tells the user have proformed an illegal operation when they log on
Gyrithe©: but nothing happens
Gyrithe©: and I have no idea why it do so?
Hank: I'll take a look at that
Gyrithe©: Thank you
~Fur~: :probably doing it from work *giggle*
Sparr©w: :lol
~Fur~: j/k *s*
Hank: ok - any questions about the file structure for your account?
Anais: @205,327 :hehe
Hank: guess not
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Hank: you may have noticed that there are lots of dat files in your psdata directory
Ditzi §ø§: Im sure i will eventually
KelticMyßteria©: yes
Hank: this is a patch we put in to take care of a bug in the palace software
Hank: anyone ever restarted their palace and lost rooms?
KelticMyßteria©: yes
Ditzi §ø§: nope
Gyrithe©: One tome....
KelticMyßteria©: once
Gyrithe©: :Had forgot a curlybracket in the Dat
Gyrithe©: time even
KelticMyßteria©: and sometimes i lose some pics
Hank: what happens is if there is a script error in a room the server will work fine till you crash or restart
Hank: then it ewill read up to the error and stop there
Hank: losing all the rooms after
Ditzi §ø§: eeeekkkk
KelticMyßteria©: ack
Gyrithe©: yes, so it was for me
Hank: so - we set the server up to backup your dat file every time it is started
KelticMyßteria©: cool
Ditzi §ø§: oh good thank you
Hank: that way we can grab the backup file, fix the error and get your rooms back
Gyrithe©: It keep 39 datfiles all in all?
Hank: yes
Isa: how do you tell the backup from the one being used?
Hank: if you are not having any problems with losing rooms you can safely delete the older backup files
Gyrithe©: they have a different name Isa
Hank: the one being used is always named pserver.dat
~Fur~: do we do this or do you periodically do it?
Ditzi §ø§: Do these files get to large eventually and cause any problems?
Hank: like Gyrthie says - it keeps 39 and throws out older ones
Hank: no the files are not restricted by size
Gyrithe©: :I'll teach Hank how my name is spelled after class ;))
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: :I always get it wrong
Sparr©w: :smile
~Fur~: and only delete when palace is shutdown if we chose to?
Sylvery: *grin*
Gyrithe©: :He seems to need 'private' lessons ;)
Hank: you can delete the backup files while the server is running
Hank: NEVER delete the primary files
~Fur~: is the log the same.... seeing many other than primary
Hank: does anyone here edit the dat file directly or upload a new one after working on it at home?
KelticMyßteria©: upload new one
Hank: the log files are clsed every Monday morning and a new one is started
Ditzi §ø§: i have edited it before but not since coming to chatserve
Gyrithe©: I edit directly...but ofcause with the palace shut down
Hank: ok - if you are going to edit the file directly - or upload one - you MUST shut the server down first or you are wasting your time
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: the servdr will just overwrite it and you will loose your new file
Hank: ok the question was aksed when we started about log files
Hank: right now we start a new log every Monday
Hank: a few people have asked to have them started every day
Hank: opinions?
KelticMyßteria©: well a weeks worth is kind of long
KelticMyßteria©: takes forever to d/l it
Ditzi §ø§: everyday would make them easier to look thru....but not sure we could get to viewing it everyday
Isa: are you talking overwriting, or back up the old?
~Fur~: I check every day so seeing the back stuff is a waste for me *s*
Gyrithe©: I alwayes check my logfile at least one time a day....and the time downloading it it rather long at the end of the week
Hank: I'm talkin about closing the log, saving it off and starting a fresh log - the old ones are not thrown away
KelticMyßteria©: i check twice a day morning and night
Hank: so does everyone prefer daily logs instead of weekly?
Isa: that would be more convenient...long as you have the old ones
~Fur~: yes
Hank: any no votes?
Ditzi §ø§: would be nice if we could have say the last day in there as well
Gyrithe©: I vote for daily logs....and that about 14 dayes old logs are saved
Ditzi §ø§: the current day and the day before maybe
Hank: ok we'll send out a note for a vote on that and set it up if that's what everyone wants
Ditzi §ø§: okay
KelticMyßteria©: ok
Hank: ok next topic
Hank: we have had a few reports of people losing wiz mode
Hank: anyome had that happen?
Gyrithe©: Loosing??
Sparr©w: :nope
~Fur~: no
Ditzi §ø§: nope
Hank: losing the ability to wiz up
Gyrithe©: oh...
Gyrithe©: I have not heard of it from my wizards
Hank: seems a lot of epople think the command to see what wizards are on is 'wizards
Hank: what that command actually does is turn off wiz mode
Gyrithe©: can that be done by Members??
Hank: no
Gyrithe©: ok
Hank: a wiz or a god
Hank: anyquestions on that?
Ditzi §ø§: nope
~Fur~: ^before I forget.. command to get numeric addy for your palace?
Anais: @182,347 no
Hank: the next topic on Ty's list was User Utilities
Hank: hmmm
~Fur~: ,
Hank: there is no wiz command for that
Anais: @182,347 ^brb
~Fur~: ok so how do i get it lol
Hank: you know how to use nslookup?
~Fur~: :heck no
Sparr©w: :ping it?
Hank: I could add it to the user utility page
Ditzi §ø§: What do we need it for? the numeric addy?
Hank: you know ping?
kitten{Daemon}: no
~Fur~: because many users cant get to your palace without it
Ditzi §ø§: oh
Hank: some users have DNS problems and need numeric IP's
Ditzi §ø§: wonder why
Ditzi §ø§: oh i see
Hank: usually the DNS at their ISP is messed up
Ditzi §ø§: okay so how do we find out what it is?...from the log?
Anais: @182,347
Hank: I'll see about adding the numeric IP to the user utility pagre
Ditzi §ø§: okay hank
Ditzi §ø§: thanks
Hank: no the log won't tell you
Ditzi §ø§: k
Hank: the next topic on Ty's list was User Utilities
Hank: any questions about that?
~Fur~: is the server size utility working correctly?
Gyrithe©: no, it works fine
~Fur~: :swear I cant have that much space left lol
Ditzi §ø§: LOL i like the utility page
Sparr©w: :hehe
Hank: you mean the disk space thing?
~Fur~: yes
Hank: I think yes but I'll check to be sure
~Fur~: :love his technical lingo thing ROFL
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Gyrithe©: :I sure hope it works correct
Hank: It's fixed - let me know if it isn't working :-)
KelticMyßteria©: i know some rooms and scripts were added yesterday to my palace and it was same number disk space as before that
Hank: ok I'll look at it
Ditzi §ø§: Hank's gonna be doing alot a lookin
KelticMyßteria©: thanks
kitten{Daemon}: lol
KelticMyßteria©: hehe
Hank: uh huh :-)
Ditzi §ø§: Guess that makes him a Looker
Gyrithe©: will you send out an email when you have checked?
Master Daemon: lol
Gyrithe©: I wanna be sure it works ok...please?
Hank: some things you can do from the utility page
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Hank: restart your server
Hank: zero your prop file
Hank: backup/restore your prop file
Hank: restore an old dat file
Hank: check room sizes
Sylvery: oof...sorry
Ditzi §ø§: and other than having a corrupt prop....why would you zero the prp file?
Hank: if your prop file was corrupt and keeping your server from starting and you had no backup
Gyrithe©: How do I find a bad prop?
Isa: cause you don't like them anymore?
Ditzi §ø§: LOL isa
Hank: :another good reason :-)
Gyrithe©: How do I find a bad prop?
Ditzi §ø§: Hank you guys have backup right?....we also need to keep one on our puter too right?
Hank: you can also change your blurb, view logs, veiew banlist
KelticMyßteria©: i tried to purge my props other day and it said none found
Hank: ok - backups
Hank: there are two files that are crucial to your server
Hank: pserver.dat and pserver.prp
Hank: you can back up both from the utility page
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: and you can restore the backup
Hank: now - on the prop file
Hank: there are a LOT of bugs in the server software dealing with the prop file
Hank: even if you have a good backup - it may be corrupt
Hank: EC is supposed to be fixing that
Ditzi §ø§: k
Hank: without goin into gobs of detail, the prop file has an index at the end of the file which tells it where to find all the props
Hank: that index gets corrupted
Hank: and the file is useless
Hank: anyone have prop rooms?
~Fur~: yes
kitten{Daemon}: yes
Ditzi §ø§: yes
KelticMyßteria©: yes
Gyrithe©: yes
Hank: ok a few things about prop maintenance - especially if you have prop rooms
Hank: whenyou start your server the prop file is read into memory
Hank: the disk file is updated every 20 minutes or when you do a flushprops
Hank: you should do a flush props often
Hank: everyone familiar with purgeprops and flushprops?
Ditzi §ø§: flush n flash...LOL
Master Daemon: nope
Gyrithe©: yep
KelticMyßteria©: well kind of
Hank: ok - there are two wiz/god commands related to props
~Fur~: pros and cons of flush vs. purge?
Hank: purgeprops reorganizes the props in memory only
Hank: flushprops does the same thin but it then writes the file to disk
Ditzi §ø§: so is flush better then?
Hank: both caoomands take a number - called an argumanet
Hank: for instance - purgeprops 1 - means purge all props not used in the last 1 day
Hank: purgeprops -1 - means purge all props not used in the last 1 hour
Hank: same for flush
~Fur~: and if you run your props through, they are considered used and can do one day correct?
KelticMyßteria©: when you do that do you lose any props
Hank: yes
Isa: :that could be dangerous!
Hank: if you have prop rooms you can do it several ways
~Fur~: no run through prop rooms and you are ok
Gyrithe©: :Not alwayes Fur
Hank: first way - run through all your rooms before the purge or flush
~Fur~: how so G?
KelticMyßteria©: the prop room i have is a wizes and she will kill me if i lose them hehe
Anais: @182,347 :lol
Hank: oo does everyone understand client prop bags and server prop bags
Gyrithe©: Sometimes I lose some no matter how carefully I have been
Ditzi §ø§: no hank
Hank: :Gyr - sometimes a prop can seem lost and it really isn't
Gyrithe©: :I know
Hank: ok - the server has a prop file and your client has it's own prop bag
Ditzi §ø§: okay and the client is the personal one for each user
Ditzi §ø§: right?
Gyrithe©: :Then I get my propbag and show the server the props again....and then it remember what it is supposed to
Hank: if you go to a prop room and put on a prop, your client checks to see if it already has that prop in the prop bag
Hank: if it does - it shows you that copy - if it dosn't - it fetches a copy from the server
Hank: so...
Hank: if a prop looks corrupted or missing to you...
Hank: it is either messed up in your prop bag or the server prop file
Hank: so how do you tell?
Gyrithe©: How do I find such a bad prop?
Isa: :and if a client as a diff prop, but the same filename, they will never see the server prop?
Isa: :
Hank: if you have prop rooms, one of the best tools you can have is a virgin prop bag
Ditzi §ø§: oh yeah LOL
Hank: this measns the stock prop bag that came with the client
Gyrithe©: I have a bad prop somewhere....the log tells so...but I can't find it....not even using an emty propgab
Hank: what do you mean when you say empty prop bag?
Gyrithe©: A virgin one
Hank: everybody knows there are props in your bag you can't see right?
KelticMyßteria©: right
kitten{Daemon}: no
Sparr©w: :yup
Ditzi §ø§: LOL no
Gyrithe©: All my props looks ok to me....but the log tells there is a bad prop
Gyrithe©: Yes
Hank: ok - your client prop bag contains all your own props - PLUS every prop you've seen
Ditzi §ø§: oh yes okay
~Fur~: even when you compress?
Hank: ok - so - go to the palace web sight - to the download section - to backups - and download a virgin prop bag
Hank: then go through your prop rooms using the virgin prop bag - and any bad props you see are in the server prop file - not your prop bag
Hank: also - if you put on a virgin prop bag and go through all your prop rooms and everything looks ok - that prop bag is now a great backup of your props
Hank: all this makin sense ? :-)
Gyrithe©: yes
Isa: yep
Ditzi §ø§: yes
Anais: @182,347 yes
KelticMyßteria©: should you purge that bag or not
Sparr©w: :yes
kitten{Daemon}: yep
Master Daemon: yep
Hank: you should NOT purge that bag
KelticMyßteria©: ok thanky
Hank: ok back to fixing screwed up props on the server
Hank: you can do several things
Hank: 1 - restore a backup prop file
Hank: 2 - zero the prop file and then flash the props to the server from your local prop bag
Hank: :ok - 2 things :-)
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Hank: does that make sense?
Ditzi §ø§: yes
~Fur~: flash the props?
Ditzi §ø§: flash n flush
Gyrithe©: or take out the bad prop from the propgenerator.....edit a single dot...and then dump it again
Hank: flash the props means you zero the prop file and then log on with your backup prop bag and go theought the props
Hank: the server will 'learn' the props from your prop bag
Isa: zero the prop file would be flushprops 0?
Hank: no - zero the prop file from the user utility page
Isa: ok
Hank: ok someone asked wich was better - purge or flush
Hank: purge is less laggy but it updates memory only
Hank: flush is totally laggy but it updates the disk file
Hank: when you do a flush - the server comes to a total halt while it compltese
Hank: the reason is it has to assure no changes while it's wriring the file
Master Daemon: How often should we do prop maint ?
Hank: depends on your traffic
Hank: once a week is usually good
Master Daemon: k
Hank: on a real busy server - every 2 days
Hank: if you use the prop backup from the utility page - go through and get all your rooms workin nice, do a flush, shut down the server and do the backup
Hank: any questions on props?
Ditzi §ø§: yes
Hank: :quiet room
Gyrithe©: no
Ditzi §ø§: do i absolutely hafta zero the file everytime i do this maintenace?
Isa: dazed
Hank: no - zeroing the file is a LAST resort to correct bad prop corruption
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Ditzi §ø§: so the maintenance...just so i have the steps....go thru my props...flush...then go thru them again
Hank: please please please do not zero the prop file unless you have tried all else :-)
Hank: yup - go thru them with a virgin bag
Ditzi §ø§: kk
Hank: ok I have a note from Ty
Hank: a lot of folks have been using ICQ to report problems
Hank: ICQ sucks :-)
KelticMyßteria©: lol
Hank: it's unrelaible
Hank: send email
Anais: @182,347 lol
Ditzi §ø§: yeah
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Master Daemon: lol
kitten{Daemon}: kk
Hank: on the subject of email
Hank: we went up the street and we talked to the folks at EC about the bugs
Hank: they have set it up so you can talk directly to them about bugs and problems
Ditzi §ø§: thru email? LOL or the phone?
Hank: send questions and bugs to hosting@thepalace.com
Hank: and make sure to cc us so we can make sure you get your answers
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: you can still send all problems to us
Hank: but sending to them may make them fix the dang bugs :-)
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
kitten{Daemon}: lol
Anais: @182,347 hehe
Hank: ok - pick a topic, bugs, lag, ads, ????
Ditzi §ø§: ive had trouble with adding .gif overlays to rooms...sometimes it ads two
Ditzi §ø§: i hafta delete the room and start over...conflicts with some scripting i think
Hank: I haven't done that a lot Ditzi - I can check into it - send us email about the problem
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Ditzi §ø§: about the lag
Hank: ok
Ditzi §ø§: gets so bad sometimes .... its not necessarily chatserve is it?
kitten{Daemon}: what is ping and how does it help ?
Hank: everyone know what causes lag?
KelticMyßteria©: yes
Hank: ok - lag is caused by several things
Hank: 1 - server laod
Gyrithe©: I hardly ever have lag at Utopia :)
Hank: a few months ago our server was seriously overlaoded and the lag was VERY bad
Hank: we've fixed that
Hank: 2- our connection
Ditzi §ø§: okay
KelticMyßteria©: i heard about that
Hank: we have had no serious problems there - except for a serious outage last month that lasted a couple hours
Ditzi §ø§: LOL do you have a generator now??? ROFL
~Fur~: :right in the middle of my grand opening *sigh*
Hank: over the last 2 days we did find a small problem and removed it
Ditzi §ø§: LOL Fur
Ditzi §ø§: yeah was bad the last couple o days
Hank: there was a guy runnin a warez site and chewin up bandwidth
Hank: we have shut him down
Ditzi §ø§: eeek
Hank: :and notified the police
Ditzi §ø§: what is warez...like Juarez?
Gyrithe©: Last time we talked about making a mailing-list for chatserve users.....what become of that?
Isa: can you recommend scripting sources..tutorials, examples, etc?
Hank: watez = distributing commercial software illegally
Hank: Hiya Bob
Ditzi §ø§: ooooo wow hank
Hank: source #3 - your connection
BobM: Hi Hank hows it goin
Ditzi §ø§: good question isa
Hank: lag may be caused by network congestion anywhere between us and you
KelticMyßteria©: my isp has been bad latly they are moving
Hank: we set up a traceroute page so you can look at the lag and find the source
Isa: addr?
Ditzi §ø§: oh thats cool hank....what addy is that?
Hank: it's at http://www.accesscom.com/cgi-bin/traceroute.cgi
Ditzi §ø§: thank you
Hank: the traceroute looks at all the hops between you and us and measures the times
Hank: I have a room set up here for how to read the trace results after the class
Ditzi §ø§: Okay
Hank: script sources and tutorials
KelticMyßteria©: cool
Hank: I hate to say it but a great source of canned scripts is hotcity - one of my competitors :-)
Isa: lol
Hank: we will be setting up a script library soon
Anais: @182,347 kewl
KelticMyßteria©: hehe
Isa: great
~Fur~: :luv ya anyway hank *s*
Hank: if you want to learn scripting, the best source I know is www.botzilla.com
Gyrithe©: :Or take classes
Hank: there are some classes offered - I forget who does that - gee who could that be?
Anais: @182,347 at vision there will be another Iptscrae class soon
Gyrithe©: !MEEEEEEEEE
Hank: Gyr does scripting classes too
Isa: lol...I do better with something I can read and refer too
Sylvery: lol Gy!
KelticMyßteria©: me too
Hank: I saw a goor scripting class online a while back
Hank: I'll look it up and send y'all the addy
Sylvery: the script classes have written lessons, Keltic and Isa
KelticMyßteria©: they do cool
Isa: ohh, thanks, hank
KelticMyßteria©: might look into it thanks
Anais: @182,347 yes the one at vision does
Sylvery: yup..they're great
Hank: Gyrithe's class is great
Hank: :I spelled it right
kitten{Daemon}: cool when your next class/
Gyrithe©: *Smile*
KelticMyßteria©: hehe
Gyrithe©: :Next class is on thuesday
Hank: :thuesday?
Ditzi §ø§: sheeesh i signed up at Utopia and then my email went down
kitten{Daemon}: have to sigh up for it
Ditzi §ø§: month or so ago
Gyrithe©: :The day after Monday
Isa: where's the sign up?
Gyrithe©: awww---Ditzy
Ditzi §ø§: G is the class for scripting or for the borg?
Gyrithe©: Both
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Gyrithe©: it's the same
Hank: the techniques are essentially the same
kitten{Daemon}: where do you sigh up?
Hank: except with room scripts you have a few extra commands - like ON SELECT
Gyrithe©: Come and see me at Utopia Thuesday
kitten{Daemon}: any special time?
Isa: what time?
Ditzi §ø§: Thanks G
Isa: k, Di
Gyrithe©: at 7.30 Denmark time ;)
Hank: ^utopia.chatserve.com
Hank:
Isa: LOL, G..that helps : )
Gyrithe©: Thank you Hanke
Hank: what time is it there now G?
Isa: what time is it there now?
Gyrithe©: I am 6 hours ahead of New York, if that helps
kitten{Daemon}: yep
Hank: so 9 hours ahead of west coast
Gyrithe©: it is 10.30 pm here right now
Isa: it's 10:30 there?
Gyrithe©: yes Hank
Hank: was that 7:30 AM or PM?
Gyrithe©: pm
Hank: ^Scripting Class at utopia.chatserve.com 7:30PM Denmark time Teusday
Hank:
Hank: :will there be snacks?
Gyrithe©: :I give spelling lessons for free too ;)
Ditzi §ø§: okay thanks
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
KelticMyßteria©: lol
Anais: @182,347 lol
Sparr©w: :hehe
Gyrithe©: SSure...snacks for free
kitten{Daemon}: lol
Isa: byob, hank : )
Hank: ok anyone got any questions at all about anything - complaints, suggestions, bribes?
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Sparr©w: :lol
Sylvery: :bribes...
KelticMyßteria©: lol
Gyrithe©: I was wondering...
Gyrithe©: Who won the free month?
Isa: list of everyone susceptible to bribes?
Gyrithe©: or is it a seckert?
Hank: I have no idea - there were 3
Ditzi §ø§: LOL isa
Hank: I can find out
Ditzi §ø§: how did they win free months?
Gyrithe©: It is not important...I was just curious
Hank: by answering a questionairre
Hank: it was before you signed up Ditzi
Ditzi §ø§: okay....lets do that again LOL
Hank: we got 600 replies
Sparr©w: :smile
Ditzi §ø§: wow
Hank: :some really interesting suggestions :-)
Gyrithe©: :I filled out the 300 of them ;)
Ditzi §ø§: LOL G
Master Daemon: lol
Isa: lol Gyrithe
Hank: the questionaire was all customers - not just palace
Isa: I saw it...didn't fill it out tho
Gyrithe©: :But I did not won :(
Hank: we have about 1800 customers of various types
Sylvery: lol Gy!
Gyrithe©: What about the mailing list we talked about last time?
Hank: :still small
Hank: ya - we're gonna do that
Gyrithe©: oh great
Hank: we're gonna set up mailing lists so you can all talk to us and to each other
KelticMyßteria©: cool
Ditzi §ø§: Can i ask....What is a good way to advertise your palace? guess mailing lists would be one way
Gyrithe©: It might save you some time if we could help each other
Hank: share knowledge, ask silly questions, share names of bad guys to ban, etc
Hank: ok - advertising
KelticMyßteria©: yes i would like to know that too
Hank: you can get a link from main
Hank: there's the a-z list
Hank: there are several rings set up
Gyrithe©: ok ISa...my email is utopia@chatservecom.com
Hank: she means accesscom.com
KelticMyßteria©: how do you get into the jumpstation or portal
Gyrithe©: How do one get a link from Main?
Ditzi §ø§: Do you pay for the link on the pain....i mean main?
Hank: anyone need to know the procedure for getting a permanent link on main?
Ditzi §ø§: LOL hank yes
Hank: no - it's fre
Gyrithe©: :I have tried for half a year now, without any luck!
Ditzi §ø§: k
Hank: really?
Gyrithe©: Yes
Hank: I'll go kick koko's butt for ya :-)
KelticMyßteria©: hehe
Gyrithe©: I send the correct information and a correct gif...
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Gyrithe©: But nothing happens
Gyrithe©: :Do it gentle Hank....She is a nice person :)
Gyrithe©: :When it NOT comes to her link job ;)
Hank: ^http://www.accesscom.com/support/faq/palace/
Hank: one of the questions there is how to get a link on Main
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: 1.Your palace must be online 24/7.
Hank: 2.It must have been contiuously online for at least 30 days.
Hank: 3.There can be no illegal content to your palace.
Hank: If you comply with these guidelines I need the following from you.
KelticMyßteria©: what would be illegal
Hank: 1.A graphic to represent your palace. It needs to be 108x88 pixels, in gif format and have the palace palette applied to it.
Hank: 2.The name of your palace
Hank: 3.Your palace address including port number.
Hank: 4.How would you classify your palace:
Hank: Mail the graphic and info to vshep@rt66.com. We should have your link put in within a few days.
Hank: illegal would be kiddie porn or stolen copyrighted materials
KelticMyßteria©: ahh ok
Gyrithe©: :No scanned pics ;)
KelticMyßteria©: thanks
Gyrithe©: :Without permision
Hank: there is a ton of info at that FAQ page
Ditzi §ø§: yes
Ditzi §ø§: and hank....being with chatserve makes us 24/7 doesnt it?
Hank: yup
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Gyrithe©: :When they dont loose power
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Ditzi §ø§: i was gonna say buy a generator
Master Daemon: lol
Gyrithe©: LOL
Hank: in case anyone is curious - we just went over 90 palaces hosted here
Ditzi §ø§: woooo hoooo congrats!
KelticMyßteria©: congrats
Sylvery: Congratulations
Sparr©w: :congrat
Gyrithe©: What do we win when you reach 100?
Hank: we owe most (all) of that to word of mouth
Hank: we have some palaces here that have never paid for service due to referral awards :-)
Gyrithe©: :Or we will start talking bad about you
Master Daemon: lol
Ditzi §ø§: LOL tell me i was the 90th and recieve the year free
Hank: a generator is on the list
Gyrithe©: lol
Anais: @182,347 lol
Ditzi §ø§: hehehe
Hank: we should do something when we reach 100
Hank: a party, prizes, etc
Ditzi §ø§: yeah good idea
Isa: a free year?
Isa: lol
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
KelticMyßteria©: lol
Ditzi §ø§: i like that idea
Hank: a free year as a door prize?
Isa: to the 100th person
Isa: or the person who referred them
Hank: naaa - as a door prize - so everyone has a chance
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Hank: a year, 6 months, 3 months - ist, sceond, third
Gyrithe©: I have a question...
Hank: yes?
Ditzi §ø§: perfect hank
Isa: awwww, hank...just think how many referrals you would get in the next month, if the person who referred them could win a free year
~Fur~: :thats purrfect Ditzi *giggle*
Hank: treu Isa :-)
Gyrithe©: There is a command that deside who have acces to different commands....
Gyrithe©: but I cant remember it...
Hank: yes - it's new
Gyrithe©: Do anyone know?
Gyrithe©: It is something like setrank??
Hank: I like Isa's idea
Hank: yes - the setrank command
Gyrithe©: ok
Ditzi §ø§: and whats that for?
Hank: you use it to set who can access what commands
Hank: for example - to say only gods can kill......
Isa: you can have diff classes of wizes?
Gyrithe©: if you type setrank 2 'gag you allowe wizards to gag
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: type.. - 'setrank 'kill 3
Gyrithe©: you sure thats the correct syntax Hank?
Isa: oh, I see
Hank: the ranks are 0=guest, 1=member, 2 =wiz, 3 = god
Hank: yes G
Gyrithe©: :I'll test it later
Gyrithe©: I thought mine was the correct one :(
Hank: ok a test - I'll set it right now so members can pin
kitten{Daemon}: is there a command so wizzards can't authorize?
Ditzi §ø§: LOL kitt was thinkin the same
Hank: oops - I'm not god :-)
Gyrithe©: type author off Kitten
Hank: authorize?
Gyrithe©: with the ' infront
kitten{Daemon}: it shuts it off for gods too then
Gyrithe©: yesa
Gyrithe©: yes
Hank: yup
Hank: you can also lock a room
kitten{Daemon}: kk
Ditzi §ø§: thats what i was thinkin hank
Ditzi §ø§: only way i guess
~Fur~: but has to be private to lock
Hank: ok - everyone here - wiz up
Gyrithe©: not true Fur
~Fur~: cant get it to work any other way
Hank: oops that won't work
Sylvery: :wiz up?
kitten{Daemon}: here?
Hank: Fur - locking for changes is different
~Fur~: how?
Hank: go to room info and click the padlock
Gyrithe©: yes.....you are in a way correct...but it do not matter which option you mark....just mark an options do it :)
Hank: ok - the wizpassword is ############
Hank: wiz up Fur
Gyrithe©: why do we wiz up?
Hank: to try some stuff
Gyrithe©: ok
Gyrithe©: :A killing war :)))))))
Sylvery: all of us?
Hank: ok fur - open the Room Info here
Hank: see the padlock?
~Fur~: see the lock, padlock?
Hank: yup
Hank: click it
~Fur~: yes but if I leave and come back it opens again in my palace
Hank: that allows you to lock all changes to this room - even by a wizard
Gyrithe©: Fur...you are right.....
Hank: it shouldn't
~Fur~: only locks for me when I make private but G says any option will do it
Gyrithe©: what I meant is: it do not have to be marked Private....painting of or any other option will make it work too :)
Hank: really?
Gyrithe©: yes, so it is
Hank: :writing that down
~Fur~: ok G , ty
Anais: @182,347 ^brb
Hank: :I always learn stuff at these classes
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Gyrithe©: :When will I get my paycheck???
~Fur~: see hank *s* unlocked again
Anais: @182,347
Ditzi §ø§: i thought by just hitting the lock options...with the p/w locks it for authoring etc
Hank: @64,64 !It's Hank
Gyrithe©: :Ask for payment and he leaves right away :)
kitten{Daemon}: LOL
Hank: stayed locked for me
KelticMyßteria©: lol
~Fur~: well you are special Hank ROFL
Gyrithe©: are you on Mac Hank?
Hank: did you hit OK in the room info box after?
Gyrithe©: the lock thingy works for Macs
~Fur~: :like yeah *s*
Anais: @182,347 sure does for Macs
Hank: it works for PC's too - I LAWYS get called by customers who forgot their passwords :-)
~Fur~: I lock fine when I make private
Gyrithe©: Not if no option is marked
Ditzi §ø§: i just want the room to lock for the scripting purposes and pic
Hank: intersting
Hank: try marking an option Fur
~Fur~: what pass did you use hank?
Hank: I just unlocked it :-)
Hank: did it work?
~Fur~: yep now stays
Hank: cool
Hank: learned sumthin
Gyrithe©: :My paycheck Hank??!!
kitten{Daemon}: lol
KelticMyßteria©: lol
Hank: :doubling G's pay
Sparr©w: :hehe
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Anais: @170,347 hehe
Gyrithe©: LOLOL
Gyrithe©: :I'll get rich now ;)
Gyrithe©: :0+0 =...hmmmm
Ditzi §ø§: soooo what exactly did you guys do?
Gyrithe©: :Counting on fingers and toes
kitten{Daemon}: hehehehe
Hank: you can lock a rroom so noone can change it Ditzi
Ditzi §ø§: okay and that was done by changing to padlock?
Hank: open room info and click on the padlock
Hank: it will ask you to set a password
KelticMyßteria©: hehe cute
Ditzi §ø§: okay...on mine there is an option for just lock...and a p/w
Hank: no padlock icon?
Gyrithe©: Locking it do also prevent Mac users from 'seeing' the scripts in the room
~Fur~: I am on old version, no padlock icon *s*
Ditzi §ø§: no icon....but that padlock word is on for room type i believe
kitten{Daemon}: no icon either
Hank: oh ok
Hank: :does anyone like the ads on the new version? :-)
Isa: no
KelticMyßteria©: no
Anais: @170,347 dont think so lol
Master Daemon: no
KelticMyßteria©: i went and got old version
Isa: they are a pain
~Fur~: NO
kitten{Daemon}: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Gyrithe©: They do not disturb me at all
Sylvery: don't have the new version..for that reason! *g*
Gyrithe©: I astulay find some of them interesting :)
Hank: :does anyone not totally hate them?
Isa: would be ok if you could move them out of the way
Sparr©w: :true isa
KelticMyßteria©: i put min on bottom of screen
KelticMyßteria©: still hated it
Hank: :would you prefer to pay a lot more for server licenses?
Gyrithe©: I like to see who is palace of the monts and so :)
Sylvery: how big are they?
Hank: they're small
Isa: if you made the ads vertical so they could go down the side of the monitor.....
~Fur~: wont upgrade because of them lol
Gyrithe©: I have mine pushed to one side and I have fine space for palace and ICQ beside it
Hank: 60 pixels tall - 400 wide
Sylvery: me too, Fur
Isa: they they wouldn't cover the chat windoe
KelticMyßteria©: i found out other day that icq can go on top of your screen
KelticMyßteria©: looks neat too
KelticMyßteria©: hehe
Isa: my monitor isn't that big, G
Gyrithe©: oh
Anais: @170,347 hehe
Gyrithe©: then I see you have a prob
Isa: yeah, Keltic..pretty cool, huh?
Ditzi §ø§: mine already looks like an airplane cockpit with everything flashin all the time...LOL
KelticMyßteria©: hehe yup was cool
Sparr©w: :lol
KelticMyßteria©: lol
Anais: @170,347 lol ditzi
Isa: yep....the ads cover the chat window...can't talk without them popping up
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
KelticMyßteria©: only one problem with it up there lsa
Hank: I have an introduction - that cowboy lurking near Fur is Bob - he started this company about 3 years ago
KelticMyßteria©: i have 70 people on my list
Isa: but I have lots of space to the side where they wouldn't bother me
Gyrithe©: cant you move the logwindow then ISa?
KelticMyßteria©: scrunches it a little
Ditzi §ø§: Nice to meet you Bob
Sylvery: Hello, BobM
Isa: yes, G.....but they still cover the chat window...where I type
Sparr©w: hi bobm
~Fur~: :sucking up to Bob *s*
KelticMyßteria©: hello bob
Isa: hey Bob
Anais: @170,347 hi bob
Master Daemon: hello Bob
Gyrithe©: Hiya Bob...I hope my toes don't stink too much for you ;)
Ditzi §ø§: Wonderin why they all flock to silicon valley...ROFL
Gyrithe©: :I DID wash them before comming here
Sylvery: :she has clean feet...
Hank: he musat fallen asleep
kitten{Daemon}: lol
Sparr©w: :lol
KelticMyßteria©: lol
Anais: @170,347 lol
Gyrithe©: :Is probably my smelly feets ;)
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Hank: ok if there are no more biq questions I'll be doin traceroute class in the whiteboard room
Isa: thanks, hank
Sylvery: Thanks, Hank
Ditzi §ø§: okay thank you hank
Isa: I've learned a lot
KelticMyßteria©: ok thanks
Gyrithe©: ok
Sparr©w: thanks
Sylvery: bye for now, everybuddy!
Anais: @170,347 ty hank
Hank: any questions on palace bugs?
~Fur~: thankies Hank
Master Daemon: Thanks
Ditzi §ø§: byeeee syl
BobM: I was working in another window.
BobM: Thanks Hank
Hank: say Hi Bob :-)
Ditzi §ø§: LOL Bob
Isa: lol bob..now you have to scroll
KelticMyßteria©: lol
~Fur~: :was advertisements covering the chat ROFL
KelticMyßteria©: well im leaving nice to have met everyone
Hank: everyone said Hi and Fur made a pass at you :-)
BobM: I am getting the hang of this.
~Fur~: lol
kitten{Daemon}: heheh
Sparr©w: hehe
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Anais: @170,347 hehe
KelticMyßteria©: bye for now
~Fur~: ohhh my , in trouble again
Master Daemon: Nice meeting you also
Ditzi §ø§: bye keltic
Anais: @170,347 bye all ty again
Sparr©w: bye everyone
Ditzi §ø§: bye Ana
Gyrithe©: Byeeeeeeee
Hank: anyone wanna know more about reading traceroute?
BobM: Hi everyone... Helloooo Fur ;-)
Ditzi §ø§: bye sparrow
kitten{Daemon}: byeeee lol
Gyrithe©: yes, please Hank
Ditzi §ø§: Yes Hank i do
kitten{Daemon}: nice meeting everyone
Hank: whiteboard room
Isa: bye everyone
kitten{Daemon}: were leaving also
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Master Daemon: Take care all
kitten{Daemon}: bye bye
Hank: thanks for comin everyone
Gyrithe©: wow, great idea :)
Hank: ok - this is what a trace result looks like
Ditzi §ø§: gawd...looks greek to me
Hank: like you would see on the traceroute utility page
Gyrithe©: :I ofern have more hops than that :)
Hank: this is the IP address I traced to
Hank: when you go to the pahe, it automatically plugs in your IP address to tace back to you
Hank: if you want to trace one of your users, plug in their IP address
Hank: you know how to get that?
Gyrithe©: yes
~Fur~: yep
Ditzi §ø§: off the log?
Ditzi §ø§: is one way right?
Hank: you can do a 'list
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: ok - so the result is BUNCH OF NUMBERED LINES
Hank: sorry for the caps :-)
Ditzi §ø§: LOLOL G
Hank: each numbered line is a 'hop'
Gyrithe©: :)
Ditzi §ø§: ummmm and a hop is?
Hank: the route from you to the server is made up of hops - from one router to the next
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: take this line for instance
Hank: the first thing on the line is the name of the router you are hopping to
Hank: that one happens to be my main router
Hank: this is that router's IP address
Hank: this part tells you that router belongs to me - accesscom.com
Hank: these last three numbers are times - 3 samples of the time for that bhop
Gyrithe©: how cone the 3 pings are so different?
Hank: ms = milliseconds - thousandths of a second
Hank: congestion changes all the time
Ditzi §ø§: so you had to be rerouted so to speak?
Hank: yes you will always take a slightly different route but for the most part it stays the same
~Fur~: just paged from work sigh life of software support..... ty Hank
Hank: ok so tht's the basics of each line
Hank: seeya Fur
~Fur~: bye
Ditzi §ø§: bye Fur
Gyrithe©: take care Fur
Hank: when you see an asterisk like these - it means that packet failed
Hank: and had to be resent
Ditzi §ø§: means what though?
Ditzi §ø§: LOL in english
Hank: that means the congestion there was briefly so bad nothing got through
Gyrithe©: the server did not 'answer' the ping?
Hank: when you see three like this - the whole hp failed
Ditzi §ø§: hmmm
Ditzi §ø§: and they got booted?
Hank: no - the packets will keep trying to get thru - but lag will be very bad
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: so waht can we tall from this trace
Gyrithe©: it looks like bad lag
Ditzi §ø§: three places of bad lag
Hank: the user is using optonline as their ISP
Hank: from us to them the route goes thru accesscom.com...
Ditzi §ø§: and went thru palo alto...ROFL
Hank: then bbnplanet - my backbone providor
Hank: then sprintlink
Hank: then cvnet
Hank: then optonline
Ditzi §ø§: oooo so they had bad lag at sprint?
Hank: the lag is worst at the switch from sprintlink to cvnet
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: besides *'s - look for big times
Hank: this is a big time
Hank: sometimes you will se numbers like 2000
Ditzi §ø§: big time what?
Hank: big time for that hop
Hank: this means it took 343 milliseconds for that hop
Hank: for one packet
Hank: a palace prop send for instance takes a few hundred packets
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: these words take a few dozen
Hank: 1000 ms = 1 second
Hank: so if you do a trace.....
Ditzi §ø§: k
Hank: 1) If the problem is within accesscom.com - yell at me - LOUD
Hank: 2) if the problem is with bbnplanet - tell me and I will yell at them
Ditzi §ø§: okay...there would asterisks by accesscom.com
Hank: or big times - yes
Ditzi §ø§: k
Hank: if the problem is at the user end - tell them and they can yell at their ISP
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Hank: or get a new ISP :-)
Ditzi §ø§: i use earthlink..pretty good one dontcha think?
Hank: if the problem is in the middle - like this one - then let me know and I will forward a complaint to them thru BBNPLANTE
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Ditzi §ø§: and hank how do we find the numerical addy for our palace?
Hank: I'll have to add that to the utility page
Ditzi §ø§: oh yeah okay
Hank: you have Windows - right?
Ditzi §ø§: yes
Ditzi §ø§: 98
Hank: you know how to open a DOS window?
Hank: Command Prompt window?
Ditzi §ø§: oh geez....havent done that for a long time
Hank: it's under Start:Programs
Hank: what's your palace addy again?
Ditzi §ø§: ladyluck.chatserve.com
Hank: Name: ladyluck.chatserve.com Address: 205.226.156.104
Ditzi §ø§: aaaahhh thank you
Hank: that is your permanent IP
Ditzi §ø§: thank you hank
Hank: did you find the Command Prompt window?
Ditzi §ø§: no
Ditzi §ø§: i see start programs
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Hank: there should be sumthing called Command Prompt
Gyrithe©: it is called MS Dos Promt
Hank: r that :-)
Hank: or MS DOS prompt :-)
Gyrithe©: :I cant spell...sorry
Hank: you find it Ditzi?
Ditzi §ø§: okay i see it
Hank: open it
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: type ping ladyluck.chatserve.com
Ditzi §ø§: interesting
Gyrithe©: :lol
Hank: it should tell you the IP in the result
Ditzi §ø§: yes
Hank: ok - let's get more interesting... :-)
Ditzi §ø§: LOL okay
Hank: type tracert ladyluck.chatserve.com
Ditzi §ø§: LOL okay
Hank: you should get something that looks like this picture
Ditzi §ø§: yes
Ditzi §ø§: woo hoooo no asterisks
Hank: that's good :-)
Ditzi §ø§: no biggies either LOL
Hank: that is the same thing as using our traceroute page - except you are tracing the other way
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: when you typed ping before - that tells you the whole time
Ditzi §ø§: and if i run a ping...from the run option...thats sposed to clear congestion right?
Hank: it dosen't break it down like trace
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Hank: no - that's an internet rumor
Ditzi §ø§: oh LOL figures
Hank: ping just measures the time
Ditzi §ø§: okay
Ditzi §ø§: too bad
Hank: ok is this all perfectly clear? :-)
Gyrithe©: yep
Ditzi §ø§: ROFL of course
Hank: :G knew all this :-)
Gyrithe©: :Smile
Ditzi §ø§: hehehe
Ditzi §ø§: i have loads to learn i know
Hank: again you can do a trace from our traceroute page
Ditzi §ø§: Thank you for all your help hank
Hank: ^http://www.accesscom.com/cgi-bin/traceoute.cgi
Ditzi §ø§: okay got that thanks
Hank: no problem
Gyrithe©: YEs, thank you your your wise words and time :)
Hank: :it's good when your customers know what'S GOIN ON
Ditzi §ø§: alrighty...im gonna go pull weeds now...LOL
Hank: oooh exciting
Ditzi §ø§: nice to meet you G
Hank: I'm gonna go find junk food :-)
Gyrithe©: awww...I have done that all day Ditzy :=
Ditzi §ø§: LOL
Gyrithe©: Take care...
Ditzi §ø§: see you guys...best of luck
Gyrithe©: I'll go to bed
Hank: thanks for comin y'all
Gyrithe©: Smile
Gyrithe©: Byeeeeee
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